Very brave of you to start this thread, Kools, as it's a subject I enjoy discussing very much. JoT has already taken you to task for the way you've painted some unbelievers, the irony being that you were calling for 'respect' when your religious views were diss'ed on another thread recently. Let me make one thing clear from the offset - I am as firm in my atheistic convictions as you claim to be in your RofC belief. And I have reason and evidence to back up my view. So take this as read - there is nothing you can say that will offend me personally on this issue, so no need to check your comments - you can let them fly if you wish. But I doubt you will c'os you ain't a nasty bloke. Sooooo, where do we start with this malarkey? What I like to do when faced with a person of faith who is chomping to discuss the issue is to find out what level of loon (SORRY! MY BAD!) er, I mean, believer I am dealing with. I mean, atheists have it easy; if it ain't evidence-based, then we won't claim it to be accepted truth. For peeps of faith, it varies depending on who you are talking to, 'cos 'faith' has so many levels, sooo many variations. So, to get to know you better, Kools, could you explain where you 'are' on this gawd scale malarkey? 1) Are you a creationist? 2) Do you believe in purgatory? 3) Why are you a catholic and not one of almost countless other religions? 4) Why yahweh and not one of over one thousand other gawds? That will do for starters. Please feel free to ask me ANYTHING on this issue of me - I will do my honest best to answer.