How is it? We are talking about the effects of discipline and the lack of it, are we not? Alot of these youths that go around smashing up peoples cars for fun, Terrorising people etc. Are they not a result of the changes of discipline and the softly softly approach?
[QUOTE="Devil's Advocate, Kids should be the first lot to be given 'human rights' - do that properly and you'll have decent kids who will go on to bring their own up the same way.[/QUOTE] There's one major problem in your thinking. It been 27 years since peeps started thinking your way, all that has happened is kids have got more and more disrespectful towards anybody in authority, so it's about time people like you are stopped being given the power to carry on with this policy of children are adults from the age of birth.
At least they have merit, unlike your types of policy that are at best are not working, at worst, ?????? Who knows, but going by the rates of dysfunction, total anarchy.
The one major problem in your thinking is that you put 2 and 2 together to make any answer that suits your 'argument'. Phil feels like a rant. Hmm, let's pick on, um, what did I read in the Mail? Yep, that's a good one. Now, I need to find a cause for this problem. I know - let's blame treating humans as humans - that's a good one. I mean, we all know that kids just need a good thrashing every now and then to 'teach them a lesson' and 'know right from wrong', so it must have gorn all pear-shaped when them goody-2-boots said we weren't allowed to hit our kids any more and had to talk with them instead. Hmm, that's looking gooood. But it's still only a 'rant'. What I need is to turn it into an 'argument'. I know - I need to tell peeps to prove it ain't so.... (smacks hands) Niiiice.
Cheb likes to mention inner-city London. Good example. I wonder if he'll bother to read about the incredible strides Tower Hamlets has made over the past few years with education in the very worst parts of London? A genuine success story. Now, I wonder what approach they used with the kids?
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/06/08/366031/over-34k-uk-kids-convicted-in-2013/ All these wonderful well behaved children, now they are treated like adults.
DA,, what's the answer then?? I doubt very much whether anyone knows. All I do know is that some kids/people , are getting worse with successive generations. (replies on a postcard to 10 Downing St )
Phil, you are mistaking folks opinions with hard facts - hard facts is the way to win a debate how would you explain the dramatic drop in youth convictions illustrated below, surely if your theory was correct we would be seeing an exponential growth in child crime and custody numbers - or are the real stats being hidden from us in the same manner as you believe the evidence to support the effectiveness of corporal punishment is being swept under the carpet by the PC State ?
Sean this is the easiest thing you've asked me to explain so far, all conviction rates are down, this is due to cut backs by central government in policing and the fact that the police do not respond to what's classed as minor incidents anymore. We live in a world of stats, the only way to manipulate them legally is not to responed to incidents that way it never happen.
A prime example of little darlings. Yesterday 3 kids tipped the salt box over outside my house, my wife shouted at them, they run off, she went out a cleaned it up, putting salt back into the box. Less than 1/2 hour ago she was outside talking to a neighbour, they came past again and just tipped up again in full view of my wife, laughing as they did it, she chased after them, but of course they run away, this time I went out a cleaned it up, if I see them next time, do I tell them off or do I smack um with the shovel???
that's your opinion Phil .... let's have some proper evidence, you've made the claim that corporal punishment works, let's see some proper proof (ah yes you say it's all being hidden from us) opinions and anecdotes are meaningless
you didn't read all of that article did you you appear to still be struggling to find anything to support your original claim, I'm not sure how adult rape reporting is adding to the weight of your argument
I think you will find that I have never said that corporal punishment works, I just said that since it's abolition childrens behavior had got progressively worse.
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