Hands up if you have voted?

The NHS aspect may not have anything to do with total privatisation. Might be partial but from comments drugs and the NHS annoys some large USA pharma companies as they influence prices worldwide. Anyway when asked Sir Trump was very clear - he would want it on the negotiating table. Madam May, no way, one of our red lines as others have said as well. On the other hand is the NHS doing well? Pass but a personal experience. I had a shoulder problem. Doc said I can do you a favour and give you a steroid injection. He can do around 250 per year. Fixed my problem. Reduced inflammation allowing it to heal. Some people need them every few months. I had a similar experience many years ago. The nurse said she shouldn't have treated me as so many people had the same problem that they couldn't afford to treat it, Funding is a problem and it's never really kept pace with the costs of treatment. This doesn't relate to the super expensive ones that get mentioned by the press. People perceptions of the money going in are distorted as they sound a lot. Who knows though maybe a ring fenced NHS tax will be introduced but ask yourself why that was mentioned when many people assume it already is. NHS dentistry gets worse and worse year by year as the contracts keep getting renegotiated. Cut's a dentists salary so they may well start encouraging more private work. Mine who favours doing NHS work reckons it's halved her salary. She also wonders if the NHS will still be around when she is old enough to really need help from it. The dentists at the previous one I went to all had a budget to stick to = so much work that they can do. That may be down to a dentist retiring and a company buying his practice which is still NHS.

John
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John your definitely right the NHS is crying out for more funding. Although in my eyes that is not the sole reason there should be cost cutting exercises. Also you get government contracts. This is also probably part of the problem so rather than getting what is most affordable the NHS has their hands tied and cant purchase them from else where. Now I am only in my mid twenties but I had quite a serious accident and on that day I was lucky as their just so happened to be a maxillo facial surgeon on who was able to fix me up and due to this they also said they would do the reconstructive surgery that your saying probably would of been about £10 to £15k at least if I went private. The NHS is a blessing and yes because of the amount of population it is struggling and keeps being set almost unreachable wait time targets. I don't mind waiting for an appointment as long as I get one. (obviously more serious issues like cancer and stuff are a priority as they should be)
Another issue for the NHS is that we have quite an old population. What we need to do is think of modern solutions and how they can be implemented.

 

My beef with the vote is pretty simple. Miss and lack of information. More than enough of it to gain a lot more than a 3% margin in the vote. The other one and a pretty major one in my view tends to be in older people - goes something like look what the EU had done to our industry and also blaming it for various things that in real terms it has nothing to do with. Blame the latter on the news - something that sound bad makes good viewing and explaining further would bore people.

I've already mentioned some factors that influenced the demise of UK industry but there are other factors as well. One simple one is cheaper people being available elsewhere in the world. Another is that it needs far less people in most areas these days. The other less obvious one is job aspirations. Those have changed dramatically and in part probably explains the desire for people from eastern Europe who view things some what differently - more along the lines of any job will do. Actually it wouldn't surprise me if over time that is seen as the effect Brexit will have on the population of the UK. Taking two comments from Cameron. Should the state support people - no charities should do that as they used to long ago. Also that the UK has an imbalanced economy and something must be done about that. I wont mention what a Harvard business professor said to parliament concerning why the USA is better with startups than the UK. A cross party thing. I think his suggestions are bunkum as there are other factors involved. I hope Brexit isn't aimed at what he was suggesting.

John
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There are all sorts of problems. Personally I think the old population aspect is a bit misleading. It's more of a problem when people need care and often they find themselves paying for that themselves with numerous complications in that area. Prior to that people often find themselves in geriatric wards when things get serious. Hope you never have to have the experience of a relative being in one or having to sort out care either the visiting type or residential.

It is true though that large organisations that employ huge numbers of people tend to get more and more complicated job wise and finish up employing more people than they really need. The same will be true of councils and many other areas. Not an easy thing to fix.

John
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Well I have had to experience my papa being cared for a long time in hospital we are talking a good 6 to 9 months. Part in hospital where We definitely couldn't fault their care and the nurses did everything they could and grew very fond of him. Some was spent in an old hospital that was now used to care for the elderly and it was here where they didn't get him up to use his legs so he ended up losing the ability to walk as his muscles deteriorated. Yes they could of cared for him better but neither us or my papa held that against them they did what they could. So much so that we eventually got him home but he needed full time care so my mother took a leave from her job. The hospital was extremely helpful during this process supplying a bed and all the equipment we needed as well as training.

I have had a few experiences with the NHS and they are not always the best at time scale but I can't fault it. I honestly feel people give it a hard time. I am grateful to all the nurses and doctors who helped my papa and myself and I know they did the best job they could.

Yes if they had more funding or more nurses and doctors the care could be better but they do what they can and instead of trying to find everything they do wrong we should be grateful for the service they provide. Same with the police, fire brigade ans ambulance services. Its there job but its harder than its ever been due to austerity and they do the best job they can.

 

I suppose care for the elderly varies. My mother had parkinson's. Care when she was at home wasn't too bad except the council who organised it put the job out for tender every 12 months so she had a change of carer every 12 months, or sooner if some one left. This was paid for care. The council provide a much better service than the companies that do it. Maybe those vary but having come across 3 I'd be inclined to think not.

She was treated at hospital for some years but as conditions worsened she wanted them to improve things further but finished up in a geriatric ward this time. One that had a name change down to a poor reputation. Things weren't so good there. Doctors no problem, essentially they could do no more for her so had to sort out a home. I'd noticed that she was scared of one of the nurses who always seemed to work am evening shift another patient told me that they had left her on a bed pan for most of the day. Not once but several times. A bank nurse appeared after a couple of weeks of this and what she said was that she wouldn't be at all happy about having a relative in there. She dug out the complaints book and showed it too me. Staffing problems true but also an attitude problem in some cases. She jut needed help getting about, bathing etc but mostly getting about as unsteady on her feet.

The consultant that looked after her there had a pretty dim view of nursing homes, Only had to visit a few to find out why.

Then came sorting out a home. Most fully booked, some reeking of urine and yet another catch in larger ones. My mom needs to take a few pills a day and some count that as nursing care so want a top up fee. Parkinson's is not regarded as an illness that needs nursing care. This is typical of the larger ones that do have vacancies. They don't take work like this from councils for exactly the same reason. In fact both these, council owned ones and others seem to prefer people with dementia, easier to look after or people with a variety of problems even just age that can even still get around well.

Eventually I enquired at a nursing home that turned out to be full up. It was run by an ex matron and she pointed me at another one run by one of her matron colleagues and she finished up there. One of the things they did there which is of interest is provided all of their new inmates with a new set of false teeth that both fitted and worked FOC. Mom was rather pleased with them, much easier to eat etc. She had been taken to the dentists not all that long before this happened.

One of the things that interested me is a woman that was in the same ward as my mom. She thought she would be ok as she had her own flat. I just mentioned mom having her own house and a pension from my father who died earlier. People are inclined to think that way - wont happen to them and assume the wrong things about the people they see. This in my view is how it all remains rather underfunded. People wont know about that aspect unless they need it and that comes to most people at some point in their life.

Yep I know nothing to do with Brexit but peoples experiences do vary in this area. Some fork out for BUPA. Maybe not a bad idea providing some one doesn't need treating for something that they have already have or have had. Costs

https://boughtbymany.com/news/article/private-health-insurance-cost-uk/

Seems of late that they are keeping fees down by paying consultants less.

John
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I must say the Peterborough by-election was a bit of a let down but not a total surprise, I think I said on here or another thread that the sort that vote Labour will continue to do so no matter how bad they get. Labour could evict some people from their homes to give to migrants and they would still vote Labour because their Father did and his Father before him did, its for the people init. Then you have the dossers that Labour stands for, all they care about is the giro hitting the doormat every 14 days and Labour goes out of its way to make sure that happens.

So I accept a lot of people will vote Labour no matter what, its the idiots that voted Tory that I can't understand, the party doesn't have anything for anyone. When Maggie ran the Country people like us were encouraged to be their own boss, they got tax breaks and low NI payments, the idea was hopefully our business would prosper and then we would employ people, basically the Conservatives helped people that helped themselves.

Nowadays the tories are only interested in hammering everyone for whatever they can get out of you, look at IR35 tax laws for instance. Unless you are the CEO of a multinational company like Amazon the tories have nothing for you, they don't want you to prosper, they want you to be a minion working in a distribution warehouse 15 hrs a day for buttons so their CEO friend can make even more billions.

So why then did 7000 people vote Tory at the by-election? I don't get it, they were even told that if you vote Tory then you get Labour. Do they really want their house and land took off them for redistribution to the less fortunate if the commies get in power.

 

Whats the LOL for, facts confuse you do they. ??

Judging by what else you've written they clearly do.

The roads in Wales are paid for by the money we give the EU, guess what, they still make a profit out of us.

As for no death from Chickens, that does deserve a LOL.