How We can Make Brexit Work?

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Broon

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Right if you have been following the Political correctness thread you will see that it is time to put what way you voted aside and work together to make this work and make the UK better.

All ideas welcome
 
Reality is this. Every single day what that supposed "victory" meant is being eroded and watered down. As the cold hard reality of Brexit has dawned upon those who either proposed or supported it the appetite for it has dwindled and with it the "spoils of war".

The truth of the matter is that we will continue on the road to some form of illusionary separation but it will be nothing like what the loudest shouters from the ranks of Brexiteers want.

For me personally. The longer it gets dragged out the better. Everyday that passes the "victory" dilutes and to be frank the balance tips further away from those wanting Brexit as the older generation disappear off into the eternal sunset to read the Daily Express and moan about bendy bananas and decimalization and the numbers swell of young people keen to integrate with the rest of the world.

We will leave. But everyday its more of an "au revoir" than an "Up yours Delors"

It will work but only because the hard Brexiteers are being marginalised every single day.
 
goldenboy said:
Reality is this. Every single day what that supposed "victory" meant is being eroded and watered down. As the cold hard reality of Brexit has dawned upon those who either proposed or supported it the appetite for it has dwindled and with it the "spoils of war".

The truth of the matter is that we will continue on the road to some form of illusionary separation but it will be nothing like what the loudest shouters from the ranks of Brexiteers want.

For me personally. The longer it gets dragged out the better. Everyday that passes the "victory" dilutes and to be frank the balance tips further away from those wanting Brexit as the older generation disappear off into the eternal sunset to read the Daily Express and moan about bendy bananas and decimalization and the numbers swell of young people keen to integrate with the rest of the world.

We will leave. But everyday its more of an "au revoir" than an "Up yours Delors"

It will work but only because the hard Brexiteers are being marginalised every single day.
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Still think we can work together Broon ?
 
goldenboy said:
Reality is this. Every single day what that supposed "victory" meant is being eroded and watered down. As the cold hard reality of Brexit has dawned upon those who either proposed or supported it the appetite for it has dwindled and with it the "spoils of war".

The truth of the matter is that we will continue on the road to some form of illusionary separation but it will be nothing like what the loudest shouters from the ranks of Brexiteers want.

For me personally. The longer it gets dragged out the better. Everyday that passes the "victory" dilutes and to be frank the balance tips further away from those wanting Brexit as the older generation disappear off into the eternal sunset to read the Daily Express and moan about bendy bananas and decimalization and the numbers swell of young people keen to integrate with the rest of the world.

We will leave. But everyday its more of an "au revoir" than an "Up yours Delors"

It will work but only because the hard Brexiteers are being marginalised every single day.
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Beautifully put.

That is the utter tragedy of this debacle; it will have achieved virtually nothing except damage to our economy, the UK's diminished standing in the world, and a huge dollop of humiliation.

I suspect this isn't the thread that Broon was hoping for... :oops:
 
facilities said:
Still think we can work together Broon ?
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What in that indicates we cant make it work? It needs to be a national process not a factional process.

Brexiteers do not have carte blanche to include whatever they like as "democratically mandated" by the referendum.

Leave won. But that victories meaning was stretched way beyond its scope in the days after it. Naturally its now contracting to what it really meant.
 
Most of us would be able to tell whether something is well engineered, even if we couldn't engineer it ourselves.
It's easier to critique than create.

I voted remain, but I was always ready to receive an good economic argument about why we should leave.
But nobody seemed to have one.
The economic arguments on offer were so bad that they were not even wrong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong).

I wonder how many people actually read Minford's plan? If it were outlined here, but attributed to a remainer, then leavers would drop a million pixels of scorn on it (and rightly so).

I don't have a plan to make it work, but I'll know one when (if?) I see it.

I could play Devil's Advocate (not that one - a real one) and try to offer a plan if you want. I think it'd look something like PJT's plans (an eloquent and rational leaver on this forum, sadly now left) - they were bold, big on vision and change.
 
I travel in Europe loads. Always have and always will. Last year went to something like 15 different countries. Thats not me boasting its just a indicator that my input isnt just based on talk in the pub.

Despite the media attempts to portray the UK as some kind of pariah its utterly inaccurate. We are a popular nation and well regarded. People just shake their heads in astonishment at the decision to leave.

And despite the medias attempts to paint Poland, Czech, Hungary etc as nodding along with Brexit on the ground thats nonsense too.

We will have some kind of token departure. Thats all the referendum asked for and thats democracy. But having arrogant confrontational figures like Johnson, Fox and Davis spearheading Brexit and giving airtime to Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg etc is doing our rep no good.

Way to make it work? Make the process and decision making more inclusive and nationwide.
 
goldenboy said:
Brexiteers do not have carte blanche to include whatever they like as "democratically mandated" by the referendum.
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Neither do the Remoaners, but it seems they are the ones with the biggest gripes/ loudest voices. I remember Cameron telling us a couple of days before the referendum, that he would remain in charge and lead us out of the EU if the majority demanded it. Then within an hour of the result being announced, resigned the post of PM. Not the leadership we expected.
Anyway , to all work together, means putting aside differences,,, (something I just can’t see some on here ever doing) ,,, and actually getting behind and supporting the UK. ( again, something I can’t see some on here doing)
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Neither do the Remoaners, but it seems they are the ones with the biggest gripes/ loudest voices. I remember Cameron telling us a couple of days before the referendum, that he would remain in charge and lead us out of the EU if the majority demanded it. Then within an hour of the result being announced, resigned the post of PM. Not the leadership we expected.
Anyway , to all work together, means putting aside differences,,, (something I just can’t see some on here ever doing) ,,, and actually getting behind and supporting the UK. ( again, something I can’t see some on here doing)
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@@@tumbleweed@@@ part deux
 
I wonder if May has been playing a cunning game, "Brexit means Brexit" initially pandering to the majority who voted leave to confirm they will get what they want, or rather they won't get what they don't want. Then fears of a hard Brexit, further confirming the leavers will get what they want.

Then the situation takes a complete U-turn, looks like we might stay in the single market and customs union, so remaining in the EU in everything but name but then it becomes clear that can't be the case as we're leaving this EU thang.

My guess (and hope) is that we'll end up with as a close as possible to staying in the EU as is politically acceptable (whatever that is, the Govt is still trying to find out). We'll have something close to the single market but not as good, and some kind of customs agreement. The one thorn in everyone's side is the Ireland and NI border issue, gawd only knows how that will be resolved and could throw a spanner into this very messy mess.
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Neither do the Remoaners, but it seems they are the ones with the biggest gripes/ loudest voices. I remember Cameron telling us a couple of days before the referendum, that he would remain in charge and lead us out of the EU if the majority demanded it. Then within an hour of the result being announced, resigned the post of PM. Not the leadership we expected.
Anyway , to all work together, means putting aside differences,,, (something I just can’t see some on here ever doing) ,,, and actually getting behind and supporting the UK. ( again, something I can’t see some on here doing)
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I fully support the UK. But supporting the UK is utterly unrelated to supporting a increasingly dwindling number of those intent on subverting a simple in/out referendum into an utter separation from Europe.

I have mates who voted Leave and they are still my mates.

Part of the reason why those opposing a dictatorial Hard Brexit have such a loud voice is because there are so many of them. Hard Brexit wasnt a referendum choice and those bleating on about democracy in action, stealing our victory etc etc should check the ballot paper. Leave or Stay. A Leave vote doesnt translate into "we won so accept whatever we enforce".

Want it to work, want a strong UK, want a brighter future?

Then stick to the terms of the referendum and include the whole nation in the process.
 
goldenboy said:
I fully support the UK. But supporting the UK is utterly unrelated to supporting a increasingly dwindling number of those intent on subverting a simple in/out referendum into an utter separation from Europe.

I have mates who voted Leave and they are still my mates.

“I have a wife who wanted me to leave and we are still mates:rolleyes:

Part of the reason why those opposing a dictatorial Hard Brexit have such a loud voice is because there are so many of them. Hard Brexit wasnt a referendum choice and those bleating on about democracy in action, stealing our victory etc etc should check the ballot paper. Leave or Stay. A Leave vote doesnt translate into "we won so accept whatever we enforce".

Want it to work, want a strong UK, want a brighter future?

Then stick to the terms of the referendum and include the whole nation in the process.
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