Immigrants in little boats.

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chippie244 said:
Sorry, as you are a long time leaver I couldn't believe what I was reading, welcome back into the real world.
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You say this as if its some sort of victory.

Reality is we have had to do it to cover ourselves against any retribution of Brexit from France as some form of payback for leaving.

Remember 136 countries trade with the EU without being members, so why is the UK being singled out.??
 
Isitreally said:
You say this as if its some sort of victory.

Reality is we have had to do it to cover ourselves against any retribution of Brexit from France as some form of payback for leaving.

Remember 136 countries trade with the EU without being members, so why is the UK being singled out.??
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It isn't.
 
Gringo28 said:
Sadly it is full of lemmings. Treacherous lemmings who look likely to vote against the will of the people.
scaremongering in full swing now by the rebel remoaners
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Man, you really like dividing this up on crisp, unblurred lines dont you.

This kind of rigid partisanship is what destroyed your Brexit

Many on the Leave side will reflect in the coming years about how differently it could have been handled.

An inclusive process would have been the way forward. Instead its been driven by those intent on as hard and fundamentalist a Brexit as possible.
 
Lets take a look at this from a humanitarian point of view. These people are taking a huge chance, risking their lives to get into GB in their exit from oppressive regime control.
Now leave that humanitarian ideal and look at cold hard reality.
They were already in a place of safety, France, so what motivates someone to take such risks, and who pays for the passage?
It must be more than just economic factors or even the desire to be with family. Could it be a greater motivator ?
 
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goldenboy said:
Man, you really like dividing this up on crisp, unblurred lines dont you.

This kind of rigid partisanship is what destroyed your Brexit

Many on the Leave side will reflect in the coming years about how differently it could have been handled.

An inclusive process would have been the way forward. Instead its been driven by those intent on as hard and fundamentalist a Brexit as possible.
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You replied to Gringo? :eek:

Jeepers, GB, you must have time on your hands.
 
Bob Rathbone said:
Lets take a look at this from a humanitarian point of view. These people are taking a huge chance, risking their lives to get into GB in their exit from oppressive regime control.
Now leave that humanitarian ideal and look at cold hard reality.
They were already in a place of safety, France, so what motivates someone to take such risks, and who pays for the passage?
It must be more than just economic factors or even the desire to be with family. Could it be a greater motivator such as ideals? Are the same people who promote the ideals putting up the cash for the boat?
I know, I am just seeing shadows in the half light and jumping to conclusions, but it does make you think.
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Not sure which 'ideals' you are referring to, Bob?

Could it be that they already know people in this country, possibly family members? Or are English-speaking rather than French? Or perhaps even (still...) see Great Britain as the ultimate goal, what with its historical reputation for fairness and decency and 'doing the right thing'.

Anyhoo, the replies from the u-s has reassured me that these wee boats somehow ain't the UK's problem however hard we exit.

And Btiwan is getting it more and more.
 
If I we're having to leave my country for a new beginning I'd swim the channel rather than stop at France , don't blame them and can't believe we're not swamped, don't think their is a fair solution
 
goldenboy said:
An inclusive process would have been the way forward.
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The only " inclusive" thing the EU were after, during the negotiations , was the U.K. remaining locked into the EU. A sort of Brexit in name only. Personally, the negotiations could have gone a lot better if Junckers had been kept off the EU wine lake.
 
goldenboy said:
Instead its been driven by those intent on as hard and fundamentalist a Brexit as possible.
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Their is no hard brexit. Their is just brexit. We leave the eu. Back to how we were before we joined. An independant country.
hard brexit is a rebel remoaner made up term. For people who cannot accept democracy and want to spread fear.
People who will sabotage brexit at any cost. Absolutely disgraceful.
Like something you would expect from a third world banana republic.
If you cannot accept a democratic vote then you shouldn't even be allowed to vote.
The rest of your post is just nonsense.
 
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Gringo28 said:
People who will sabotage brexit at any cost. Absolutely disgraceful.
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TM has done her damndest to sabotage Brexit. She's negotiated a deal that will see us locked into the EU in perpetuity. ( if accepted) The remainers aren't happy, the Brexiteers aren't happy. No ones happy about it.
 
Sadly TM is a weak leader. On one hand she has threatened no brexit to get the leavers on side and on the other has threatened a hard brexit to get the europhiles on side.
And in between she will inevitably fall.
And as I've said before, her hand was severely weakened by europhile remoaners.
 
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Gringo28 said:
Sadly TM is a weak leader. On one hand she has threatened no brexit to get the leavers on side and on the other has threatened a hard brexit to get the europhiles on side.
And in between she will inevitably fall.
And as I've said before, her hand was severely weakened by europhile remoaners.
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TM was/is a remainer herself, so the non deal she has come up with was always going to be on the cards. Most if not all negotiations of this kind are done at very senior civil service level, with politicians dotting the i's and crossing the t's towards the end.
I think this whole fiasco says a hell of a lot about the very poor quality of our most senior civil servants as well as the total gutlessness of our politicians.

It's what happens when you put idiots in charge of peeps that have no idea what they are doing.
 
chippie244 said:
You can sleep them at night.
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Have email notification with sound on for a reason ;)... Disabled now for this topic and will change my setting on all post alerts, as it is odd to receive some important IE invoice on a par of reply notification...

Q.:
Do you personally (or anyone) believe it is at all possible to achieve anything of political nature/matter by discussing such on internet board?
(I don't, wander though if it is worth all of the time/emotions etc)
 
Gringo28 said:
Their is no hard brexit. Their is just brexit. We leave the eu. Back to how we were before we joined. An independant country.
hard brexit is a rebel remoaner made up term. For people who cannot accept democracy and want to spread fear.
People who will sabotage brexit at any cost. Absolutely disgraceful.
Like something you would expect from a third world banana republic.
If you cannot accept a democratic vote then you shouldn't even be allowed to vote.
The rest of your post is just nonsense.
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This pretty much sums up exactly why those desperate to enforce what their own personal definition of Brexit is have played such an appalling hand.

You could have had so much of what you wanted. Instead you have ended up with the dregs.

Thats why you are so angry. Defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
At what point will it dawn on you John
joinerjohn1 said:
The only " inclusive" thing the EU were after, during the negotiations , was the U.K. remaining locked into the EU. A sort of Brexit in name only. Personally, the negotiations could have gone a lot better if Junckers had been kept off the EU wine lake.
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At what point will it dawn on you John?

Childish petty insults have no place in this process. Though it whips to borrow a Trumpism "the base" up.

Thats why Boris, JRM, Farage, Bridgen etc etc have ended up looking like petty, intransigent fundamentalists. Which is pretty much what they are.
 
goldenboy said:
This pretty much sums up exactly why those desperate to enforce what their own personal definition of Brexit is have played such an appalling hand.

You could have had so much of what you wanted. Instead you have ended up with the dregs.

Thats why you are so angry. Defeat from the jaws of victory.
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More nonsense. From a remoaner loser.
 
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OMG, have not laughed so hard for a while...
DM link!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6540615/amp/Father-son-migrant-crisis-hands.html

Disclaimer: I'm EuroMutt (sort of Brexit issue), sit on a fence in relation to small boat immigration situation.
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goldenboy said:
At what point will it dawn on you John?

Childish petty insults have no place in this process.
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My comment was certainly not childish nor insulting to Junckers. If anything, it might hurt him a bit because its the bloody truth. You've heard of the saying the truth often hurts ? One day in March 2019, Junckers is going to awaken from his drunken stupor and find out that the UK has gone, left the club,, "Elvis has left the building" . Only then will he realise just how much the EU was dependant upon the UK for so much.
Anyway, Junckers has no place turning up to EU occasions, so inebriated , he needs help to stand on his own two feet. He's an embarrassment to the EU and the sooner they realise this the better.
 
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