Immigrants in little boats.

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joinerjohn1 said:
My comment was certainly not childish nor insulting to Junckers. If anything, it might hurt him a bit because its the bloody truth. You've heard of the saying the truth often hurts ? One day in March 2019, Junckers is going to awaken from huis drunken stupor and find out that the UK has gone, left the club,, "Elvis has left the building" . Only then will he realise just how much the EU was dependant upon the UK for so much.
Anyway, Junckers has no place turning up to EU occasions, so inebriated , he needs help to stand on his own two feet. He's an embarrassment to the EU and the sooner they realise this the better.
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I rarely get involved in these Brexit debates but can I correct you on something (I work in finance specialising in international trade). The idea that the EU will somehow desperately miss the UK is false. There will be a few companies who will lose some sales but for many goods and services there are markets elsewhere. The worst hit will be the Irish agriculture industry. For essential goods, EU suppliers will still continue to ship but the UK ends up paying higher prices through tariffs, which will depress the UK economy. So in short, the pain is not enough for the EU to give the UK good or close to as good benefits of EU membership simply because it’s a G7 nation, not forgetting that the finance sector is a massive part of the UK’s GDP and us financiers are ruthless when it comes to moving people wholesale to a more convenient location (I’m already doing this).

Generally the attitude of businesses around the EU is a baffled shrug of their shoulders, which in recent weeks has moved towards a weird type of incredulous amusement. No-one understands why the UK is embarking on such a self defeating course of action.

The hard Brexiters do need to wake up to the fact that they don’t have the leverage they think they do. The question they need to ask is if a 1-2 year recession followed by 10-15 years of below par economic growth is worth the price of sovereignty. By which time the UK may have joined another trading bloc with equally rigid rules decided by another voting chamber far removed from Westminster.
 
The imigrants paddle across the English chanel arriving somewhere on the Kent coast were they are given a health check then taken away for processing. Does anyone on here know what goes on with this processing procedure? Most likely my last post of 2018 so wishing all screwfixers a very happy new year.
 
greenback78 said:
I rarely get involved in these Brexit debates but can I correct you on something (I work in finance specialising in international trade). The idea that the EU will somehow desperately miss the UK is false. There will be a few companies who will lose some sales but for many goods and services there are markets elsewhere. The worst hit will be the Irish agriculture industry. For essential goods, EU suppliers will still continue to ship but the UK ends up paying higher prices through tariffs, which will depress the UK economy. So in short, the pain is not enough for the EU to give the UK good or close to as good benefits of EU membership simply because it’s a G7 nation, not forgetting that the finance sector is a massive part of the UK’s GDP and us financiers are ruthless when it comes to moving people wholesale to a more convenient location (I’m already doing this).

Generally the attitude of businesses around the EU is a baffled shrug of their shoulders, which in recent weeks has moved towards a weird type of incredulous amusement. No-one understands why the UK is embarking on such a self defeating course of action.

The hard Brexiters do need to wake up to the fact that they don’t have the leverage they think they do. The question they need to ask is if a 1-2 year recession followed by 10-15 years of below par economic growth is worth the price of sovereignty. By which time the UK may have joined another trading bloc with equally rigid rules decided by another voting chamber far removed from Westminster.
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A very one side reply by someone who clearly voted remain.

At no point in your reply did you mention the UK adding any tariffs to compensate the EU ones, or any UK dealings with the rest of the world at better tarrif rates than the EU impose on none EU countries, or the simple fact that we are the EUs biggest single customer.
 
Greenback also forgets the EU tariffs on imported food etc from non EU countries, keeping prices artificially high anyway.
 
Isitreally said:
A very one side reply by someone who clearly voted remain.

At no point in your reply did you mention the UK adding any tariffs to compensate the EU ones, or any UK dealings with the rest of the world at better tarrif rates than the EU impose on none EU countries, or the simple fact that we are the EUs biggest single customer.
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No I did mention the UK adding tariffs. It disadvantages the UK consumer as it makes goods more expensive.

Secondly the US is now the EU’s largest trading partner (has been for 3 or 4 years depending on what stats you use).

I would politely request that you engage with my experience and expertise you engage rather than ad hominem assumptions about my voting preferences rather than the facts.

If sovereignty and immigration are the issues and that is more important than the economy then fine. Just don’t misrepresent facts to support an entirely different rationale for Brexit. The economic arguments for Brexit are fallacious. Brexit is bad for the economy in the short to medium term (long term an equilibrium will undoubtedly be found).

The cultural arguments are inherently intangible and therefore difficult to argue both for and against. If that’s the reason for voting Brexit then that’s absolutely fine. I may like multicultural environments but others have a different view about what our national culture is. But many Brexiters should be up front and open about that being their motivation and being honest that they are willing to accept a very high price for that. If they voted for Brexit being better economically, then they have been misled.

Anyway, minds won’t be changed by a semi-anonymous post on an Internet forum so let me wish you a happy new year and let’s hope the politicians remember than you can’t polish a ****, but you can at least roll it in glitter.
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Greenback also forgets the EU tariffs on imported food etc from non EU countries, keeping prices artificially high anyway.
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Which ones Joinerjohn will make a difference to your cost of living? Bearing in mind that many agriculture tariffs suit the UK as much as the EU eg dairy and meat as we have domestic industries that would lobby hard to maintain tariffs on those goods.
 
greenback78 said:
No I did mention the UK adding tariffs. It disadvantages the UK consumer as it makes goods more expensive.

Secondly the US is now the EU’s largest trading partner (has been for 3 or 4 years depending on what stats you use).

I would politely request that you engage with my experience and expertise you engage rather than ad hominem assumptions about my voting preferences rather than the facts.

If sovereignty and immigration are the issues and that is more important than the economy then fine. Just don’t misrepresent facts to support an entirely different rationale for Brexit. The economic arguments for Brexit are fallacious. Brexit is bad for the economy in the short to medium term (long term an equilibrium will undoubtedly be found).

The cultural arguments are inherently intangible and therefore difficult to argue both for and against. If that’s the reason for voting Brexit then that’s absolutely fine. I may like multicultural environments but others have a different view about what our national culture is. But many Brexiters should be up front and open about that being their motivation and being honest that they are willing to accept a very high price for that. If they voted for Brexit being better economically, then they have been misled.

Anyway, minds won’t be changed by a semi-anonymous post on an Internet forum so let me wish you a happy new year and let’s hope the politicians remember than you can’t polish a ****, but you can at least roll it in glitter.
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Happy New Year to yourself and Family.
 
Isitreally said:
A very one side reply by someone who clearly voted remain.

At no point in your reply did you mention the UK adding any tariffs to compensate the EU ones, or any UK dealings with the rest of the world at better tarrif rates than the EU impose on none EU countries, or the simple fact that we are the EUs biggest single customer.
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Alternatively of course it could simply be the reasoned opinion of someone involved at the heart of the area of business that most on here claim to be experts in.
 
greenback78 said:
No I did mention the UK adding tariffs. It disadvantages the UK consumer as it makes goods more expensive.

Secondly the US is now the EU’s largest trading partner (has been for 3 or 4 years depending on what stats you use).

I would politely request that you engage with my experience and expertise you engage rather than ad hominem assumptions about my voting preferences rather than the facts.

If sovereignty and immigration are the issues and that is more important than the economy then fine. Just don’t misrepresent facts to support an entirely different rationale for Brexit. The economic arguments for Brexit are fallacious. Brexit is bad for the economy in the short to medium term (long term an equilibrium will undoubtedly be found).

The cultural arguments are inherently intangible and therefore difficult to argue both for and against. If that’s the reason for voting Brexit then that’s absolutely fine. I may like multicultural environments but others have a different view about what our national culture is. But many Brexiters should be up front and open about that being their motivation and being honest that they are willing to accept a very high price for that. If they voted for Brexit being better economically, then they have been misled.

Anyway, minds won’t be changed by a semi-anonymous post on an Internet forum so let me wish you a happy new year and let’s hope the politicians remember than you can’t polish a ****, but you can at least roll it in glitter.
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Superbly said that man.

Can I 2xlike a post?
 
Allsorts said:
Superbly said that man.

Can I 2xlike a post?
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We dont need experts to work our way through this.

Actual experience, real life technical knowledge and fact based interpretation of the possible impact of Brexit is simply not needed.

Whats far better is the Faragists approach of feet on the desk, shouting Up Yours Delors.
 
Back on track now about these illegals trying to cross the channel. You do realise that most of them are not refugees escaping war in whatever place they came from. They are economic migrants. They stopped being refugees the moment they set foot in Europe. Allowed to claim asylum in many of the countries they have undoubtedly passed through. Tell me I'm wrong....... Perhaps DA should change the title of the thread to " Economic Migrants in Little Boats "
 
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greenback78 said:
financiers are ruthless when it comes to moving people wholesale to a more convenient location (I’m already doing this).
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The rats are jumping ship even before brexit has taken place.lol:D How amusing.
As if anyone didn't realize where their true loyalties lie.
Feathering their own nest!
Lets all hope that after brexit and the uk is thriving they won't be allowed back.
 
goldenboy said:
We dont need experts to work our way through this.

Actual experience, real life technical knowledge and fact based interpretation of the possible impact of Brexit is simply not needed.

Whats far better is the Faragists approach of feet on the desk, shouting Up Yours Delors.
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Hmmm - I think we do need experts, now more than ever. It was inexpert glibbisms that got us in to this mess.

But thankfully - as JJ said - we don't have many experts supporting the Leave option, but almost exclusively pointing out the benefits or Remaining.
 
longboat said:
I know, I know...
Is the answer you're looking for...
Gun boats?
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I was looking for an honest answer from those who would put us in that position. Just trying to figure out if those who voted Leave knew the consequences.
 
When someone asked the question .... "is a 1-2 year recession followed by 10-15 years of below par economic growth is worth the price of sovereignty"
I despair.
RS
 
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