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Devil's Advocate said:
There is nothing 'special' about Brits. I used to think there was - the way we were seen as saviours during WW2, in Greece, for example, when every warring faction that moved in was worse that the last. Until the Brits came along.
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Funny you should mention the Greeks, Angela Merkel? can you see the 'rony?
 
Devil's Advocate said:
The only thing that stops UKIP (and the NF and BNP etc etc) is the current level of decency in our society
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Exactly, the current level of decency in our society is stopping those evils, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE BREXITEERS!.
So, you were saying...
 
longboat said:
Really?
Is that actually the case, Lanc?
"All foreigners are bad". I don't think anyone is even hinting at that premise, a massive influx of cheap labour is certainly a 'bad' thing for the indigenous population as it stagnates, or even reverses lower/semi-skilled wage growth, but to say these people are inherently bad is a nonsense.
You and your ilk are the ones who make the ridiculous claims regarding 'foreigners', such as "they are all inherently good".
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Yes, it is the case, Longs.

And any impartial observation would demonstrate that immigration to this country has been overwhelmingly beneficial, both economically and culturally.

And that is in direct contrast to the pernicious Dacre & Murdoch headlines, and that of Fox over 'there'. Who like to paint them all as the same.
 
fillyboy said:
No, I don't. I accept that he has become part of the liberal elite who would happily flick a V sign to decent working class fishermen because they didn't vote
the same way as him, and I accept that he once staged a very large concert (a very good concert) which raised a great deal of money, a significant portion of which went on to buy arms for Ethiopian rebel soldiers.
My nemesis? on yer bike sonny! A despicable human being by anyone's standards, well, anyone except you.
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A 'despicable human being'!

That's really something.

And what that 'something' really is, is the type of wilful distortion that's required before a population acts on the will of a right-wing dictator.

It takes that level of self-delusion.

Turning black into white.

100%, Filly. Is there any truth remaining in your life?

Farage doesn't even have to try with the likes of you, does he? You are already there - begging for it.
 
fillyboy said:
Exactly, the current level of decency in our society is stopping those evils, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE BREXITEERS!.
So, you were saying...
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This 'level of decency' - you will be reluctant to accept - is actually provided by our government (since the British population is not yet sophisticated enough to determine it themselves). Be it on capital punishment or Brexit.

And you know where the MPs overwhelmingly stand on both. Which, of course, is not where you are standing.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
I've seen nothing to suggest that Lancs is a Scot Nat.
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Thanks, DA.

Purely for longboat's information, my forum name, "Lanc", is simply an abbreviation of my proud Lancastrian heritage. But I will admit to being very jealous of the Scots who can possibly grab the opportunity to get out from under the heel of the despicable Tories and refuse to follow them 'over the cliff' of Brexit.
 
I was having a joke - about Longs stooping sooo low as to call someone a Scots Nat :oops:

Anyhoo, I actually thought you were :D
 
Lanc said:
But I will admit to being very jealous of the Scots who can possibly grab the opportunity to get out from under the heel of the despicable Tories and refuse to follow them 'over the cliff' of Brexit.
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Scotland doesn't really have a choice though? Do they really? When the "United Kingdom" leaves the shackles of the EU, Scotland as part of that "United Kingdom" will leave. Whatever happens in the future (unknown or subject to "crystal ball theory)" can you honestly see the EU taking Scotland under it's "wing" ? I can't.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Watch as their popularity declines...
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Really?

"The Scottish subsample from the latest Britain-wide Opinium poll: SNP 38%, Labour 30%, Conservatives 29%, Greens 3%. This is the twenty-first subsample in a row, across all firms, to put the SNP ahead."

Twenty-one polls in a row - I think the SNP (or any other political party!) would be quite happy with that, don't you?
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Whatever happens in the future (unknown or subject to "crystal ball theory)" can you honestly see the EU taking Scotland under it's "wing" ? I can't.
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The EU would have Scotland like a shot, for it's natural resources, if nothing else. Did you notice in the Budget what Hammond said about their oil reserves? Not long ago the Tories were saying oil was 'finished' - makes one suspicious!!
Add to that their fish stocks, plentiful water, wind and wave power, self sufficiency in agriculture, natural gas, a 13 billion pounds food and drink industry......etc , and I think Scots are starting to believe in themselves and not accepting us trying to tell them they are subsidised by England (when it's likely the opposite is the case).

Come on, joinerjohn1, if you are so sure, tell us all the actual 'policies' that you know Sturgeon has introduced that have been so bad for Scots, then. ;).
 
Lanc said:
Come on, joinerjohn1, if you are so sure, tell us all the actual 'policies' that you know Sturgeon has introduced that have been so bad for Scots, then
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You can't define proposals as being inherently bad since they have never been put into practice, and therefore are not tried and tested. Assumptions are just that.
One thing is for sure though.
Cutting off the hand that feeds you can only lead to starvation.
 
Lanc, policies don’t have to be introduced for people to know they’ll harm some part of the electorate. Tell me, how much is free university tuition for Scots lads n lasses costing the electorate? ( or us mugs here south of the border)
 
joinerjohn1 said:
how much is free university tuition for Scots lads n lasses costing the electorate? ( or us mugs here south of the border)
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longboat said:
Cutting off the hand that feeds you can only lead to starvation.
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You are both accepting our government's line that we English subsidise the Scots - in which case please answer this simple question:-

WHY do we actively rail against their independence if they are costing us billions??

ALL political parties (except the Greens maybe) joined forces to prevent Scots leaving, yet they are draining our cash (according to you two :rolleyes: ). You cannot have it both ways, either we should let them leave ( and save ourselves money) or stop complaining that we are mugs for paying for them. What is your answer to that?

Ask yourself where all the money for London and the SE to get their massive infrastructure developments came from, why did our government classify as 'top secret' the McCrone report on oil for 30 years, and why do lots of Scottish exports (whisky, oil etc) never show up as "Scottish exports" - but UK exports? So many questions for us to answer, I'm afraid :eek:.
 
Lanc said:
You are both accepting our government's line that we English subsidise the Scots - in which case please answer this simple question:-

WHY do we actively rail against their independence if they are costing us billions??

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Ask yourself the same question of the EU and the 23 counties the take out and not pay a penny in.

Its all about size.
 
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