It all worked a treat :-)

"I once inadvertantly applied for a job, where one day fixing was the policy. I walked out of the interview !!".


Good for you plummit,


Here's some of the S* that the 'one day wonders' come out with:-

Quote, nah you don't want your kitchen getting disturbed! much better if the boiler is in the bedroom. <u>(I'm a lazy B**** and I'll destroy the value of your property)</u>


Quote, I'll put the rads next to the doors away from the windows, that will keep your windows clear in case you want furniture there. <u>(That will save me lifting the floor, save materials, and the mugs won't notice the smaller rad's)</u>


Quote, yeah mam I'll just drop the pipework through the ceiling, you won't notice it behind the curtains.<u>( phew, good they fell for it)</u>


AS*H*LS
 
And he still wants two bathrooms done :)
It all worked a treat

Give it time Loz :)

Just out of interest what were leaks from?
 
Its amazing how some people like to boast how they have no morals. £900 for 3 days seams very excessive to charge for changing rads.Hopefully karma will catch up with you.
 
Hopefully karma will catch up with you....it will, he's such a twit it's only a matter of time! ;)
 
Check ur answer machine, the flux has melted now and its * out.(only joking...bit like your pricing)

Maybe you should think of going into property maintenance, seems to be a lot of vans around taking on all the little repairs, as they are not qualified in any trade and lack the experience.

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You what! I was just about to comment that you lot are still whinging to this post. Havent you got families or work to do? Go tidy your vans *** there a mess judging by what I have seen.
 
Loz, I see that your post about being bullied got pulled. Diddums :^O
 
"That would leave this forum free to it's intended members, fully qualified, time-served real Plumbers!!!"

and who says that is the intended audience of this forum? Its a public site that doesnt require any proof of what you are to register...

The point in this site is a place to bring fully qualified plumbers and amateurs alike together

How many DIY'ers have saved money by reading posts on these forums and doing the jobs themselves? Bet its a fair few and fair play to them. You take the risk you fix it and save cash then brill otherwise you take the risk, do it wrong and pay for a pro to fix it

Fair play to Loz for trying to learn new things, seems to me he's just trying to pick up new skillsets and all the time I see people ragging on him for being a 'cowboy'. Bet there are far bigger cowboys on this site than him if he is at all. I know nothing about the guy but he seems more positive than many members here....

If Loz IS a cowboy then shame on him, but why worry about it? cowboys always get found out and usually real plumbers have to be called in to fix the bad jobs they have done, hopefully they get done for it but end of the day the responsibility lies with the customer to check their rep, thats what I always do. Wouldnt go with some random company for anything.

Maybe he isnt a cowboy, just someone who wants to learn new things, has he got qualifications? In days of old people didnt have qualifications and some of them did great jobs...much better than people nowadays who are fully qualified. If hes getting high cash amounts and the customers are happy to pay this then fair play. If £900 is a high price for that job then its the punters fault for not getting another quote for the job not Loz's. If you quote £500 but the customer offers you £1K your gonna say no?


Maybe you guys should help Loz, he's the next generation or are some of you scared he might embarass you or show how much some of you earn? Anybody that charges as much as many plumbers I know just to LOOK at a job should be ashamed!

So come on then...given the spec of the jobs Loz did what are your prices? How much is your call out fee? How much do you charge to LOOK at a job? Lets seperate the good guys from the con artists
 
Read some more of Loz's posts.

You will see he fully deserves all the flak that is fired at him!

He is a cowboy, a con-man and a chancer.

That is why no-one respects him.

Of course DIY'ers are welcome as are new plumbers, experienced plumbers and wannabee plumbers.

It's the yee-harr brigade that no-one will tolerate.
 
yeah HD but seems to me he's just trying to learn and making cash at the same time. Was just reading some of his previous posts and in a few he says that every day is a learning experience. Seems like he's trying at least. Problem is anything he says certain members just troll on him.

They moan about him saying nothing constructive and telling him to grow up whilst name calling...POT/KETTLE/BLACK

Now for the record I see you 2 dont get on but I'm not talking about you here...seems you do give advice at times, i feel a definite bit of respect for you from him thought I have seen name calling on both sides but others do nothing but **** him off...at the same time it just makes them look more and more stupid and arrogant.

As much as people say that Loz is a cowboy and gives real plumbers a bad name seems some of these real plumbers comments are causing way more damage than Loz is as they are just coming across as arrogant plebs. A couple in particular I would truly avoid hiring as their comments alone say to me they arent trustworthy...just a feeling thats given off by their reply...so matter of factly when they are just talking opinion

HD I would go so far as to saying you seem one of the few that knows exactly what they are talking about as you can provide constructive comments.

Now who says he's not qualified? I cant see anything apart from an arguement about course names?
 
ODB many thanks for the positive posting with regard to how some of the forum members conduct themselves towards me. I can confirm I am not a rip off artist, customer satisfaction and me learning is my priority. Don't get me wrong the money has helped. I for one dont charge a call out fee or charge to look at a job.

For instance just after christmas I received a call late at night from a person who had decorated and disconnected his radiator to wallpaper behind. I've got a leak he said I get in my van drive 10 miles each way, all it needed was a little nip with a spanner! The customer said how much do I owe you? Nothing sir 2 minute job no parts used. Well I must give you something for your time he said no not at all, glad I could help.

The job last week, I enquired with the customer whilst the system is drained down would you like me to re position a couple of the rads so they are positioned center to the room? How much? nothing, I am here I have the copper 10 minutes.

On filling the system up last week I ran it for a hour then drained down again for me to put cleaner through. I asked the customer do you want me to put it in for the min time of 2 hours or the max of 4 weeks and then for me to return to put the inhibitor in. The customer replies wont you charge extra for you to come back? No sir its part of the job and the service I provide.

It is also good practice to remove all flux and rubbish from work on the system after alterations have been made. As well as for the customer to discuss the proposed bathrooms.

As I understand I wasn't not the cheapest quote nor was I the most exspensive. But I was the one that turned up to look at the job and to provide full breakdowns of costs of materials and labor. And as I have said many times here but some must be intellectually challenged I dont charge by the hour I charge a fixed price.

Oh by the way just been to the scrap merchants £42 lovely.
 
ODB, let me try to assure you that most of the tradesmen on her do give advice where they can and as for LOZ if you read enough of his posts and the comments people make about him you will begin to understand (as I'm sure Loz does) that it's harmless banter.

This forum is not to be taken too seriously, if you want plumbing advice you can get it here but you need to know a little bit to start with so you can filter through the banter.

Trust me also, Loz gives as good as he gets and without him this forum would be quite dull, if he din't enjoy it as we all do he wouldn't be here.
 
Actually Oliver I find it a bit tiresome. I do and have however learnt a great deal from reading posts. But unfortunately I have also contributed to the stupid banter. And certain individuals seem to enjoy putting me down. The only way for this to change is for me to change my user name, but I am as stubborn as a ox and will not be bullied so I wont.

Certain individuals here think they a god like plumbers when in fact they make themselves look and sound extremely foolish which is why this forum has a bad reputation.
 
Yes wettneck you are included in the list. It does come to something though that you take pride in being unprofessional.

Or is this part of the apprenticeship you served? What year did you cover this part of your training?
 
Sorry loz, but you sort of shot yourself in the foot.

I don't want to join in the general slagging, apart from anything else I'm not a plumber. However, you shouldn't have listed those jobs to try and prove yourself. Take my advice, join in the banter and forget trying to justify yourself all the time. You only end up worse off otherwise.



Another great pontypost!
 
Yeah oliver I see from past posts many do try to help inc yourself, but then certain others come on and just give him grief...this will just put people off from replying as they'll think they are part of some game that Loz COULD be playing. But then others who claim to be fully qualified etc dont seem to give anything but childish comments and the info they give could quite easily be gotten off Google. In fact one such person who will remain nameless but has posted on this thread against Loz gave an answer on another thread that was DIRECTLY from google....yet this is a fully qualified plumber with X years of experience?

certainly Loz gives as good as he gets but why go onto a thread by Loz JUST to post some personal comment knocking him? fair enough comment if you disagree with the way he does things and talk reasonably but why go on and just say 'Loz your an expletive expletive' I mean WTF is the point?!


Loz seems to be treated as a forum troll but to me I dont think he is and thats coming from a well known member of a site that has tons of Trolls (www.hotukdeals.com) ...each of which I slate and always get the better of. if I thought Loz was a troll i'd give him grief but to me just seems that some people just want to rip on him for no reason.

I just think if Loz gives someone an answer to a question then people shouldnt just say 'dont listen to him etc' when his answer could be the right one...if its wrong say so, not JUST belittle him

nowt wrong with a bit of banter, I'm sure Loz enjoys it at times it can be quite fun, but pointless arguing just gets ridiculous after a while and undermines the point of the forum....to HELP
 
Point taken Ponty. Anyway best get going want to clean the van and have a good tidy up I like to portray myself as not being like a plumber. Like clean van tools organised. And to put some dust sheets in the washing machine. That will annoy the misses ;)
 
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