Labour / Keir Starmer
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bright_Spark
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Doesn't matter who is in power, we were never on a winner with either party. I should have run in the elections, would be a totally different world with me in downing street.
Muzungu
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When did he say this?
teabreak
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It does look rater like if you don't pay your way, or are here illegally Labour loves you, the poor old working man (seem to remembe rLabour was started by the trades unions of working people) has to bear the brunt. Capital gains and inheritance tax used to only affect the upper classes now with the cost of housing ordinary working folk are affected.
While I am on I would like to apologize to Mr Starmer for living past my allotted three score and ten!
While I am on I would like to apologize to Mr Starmer for living past my allotted three score and ten!
Astramax
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Sorry I missed out the word class as in Working Class.
ReflexAngle2023
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This is just a typical Labour government behaviour, they haven't changed in decades; first they ingratiate themselves with their natural public sector worker supporters by giving into many of their massive pay claims. Then they have to think about how to fund all this and all their other promises. Inevitably it is not just the rich that get hit, the tax money grab will extend further and further down the financial scale until almost everyone is affected from poor pensioners and working people on average wages upwards.
It is how Labour governments work. They'll pretend to soften the blow by threatening to do a lot more then apparently holding off on the extreme measures they had no intention of instigating to make it look like they've moderated their tax hikes. But they'll carry on taxing until the idiots who voted them in begin to see the mistake they made.
The real people to blame are the Reform voters who effectively split the Tory vote in half and left us with a weak opposition that in a parliamentary democracy is a very unhealthy situation.
It is how Labour governments work. They'll pretend to soften the blow by threatening to do a lot more then apparently holding off on the extreme measures they had no intention of instigating to make it look like they've moderated their tax hikes. But they'll carry on taxing until the idiots who voted them in begin to see the mistake they made.
The real people to blame are the Reform voters who effectively split the Tory vote in half and left us with a weak opposition that in a parliamentary democracy is a very unhealthy situation.
Ind spark
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Or we could blame the idiots that voted for this idiot.
Astramax
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Ind spark
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CBE
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If only driving slow was the only problem
i didn’t want to go off on one but there is plenty. Lol.
I think i am done with London every day stuff just winds me up. Need a change.
quasar9
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I spoke to a Labour councillor about the 20mph schemes and LTN. without hesitation her minion replied. Each scheme we implement reduces the traffic by 20% and is not simply displaced. I responded that that 20% represents failed businesses. I should have captured that stare back , a combination of “I am in power and you will do as I say” . Once london and Home Counties fails economically, it’s anybody’s guess on the state of UK economy.
on a parallel note, the game “replace the leader” will start in earnest in October, with Starmer’s job being sough out by Rayner!, with many others with the same ambitions.
Muzungu
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I assumed you meant he was changing the law, he isn't. This idea that "free speech" is some sort of human right in all circumstances is a nonsense. The question is where to draw the line. If you wish to post racial slurs in order to stir up violence then face the consequences.
If someone posts violent rhetoric on line in the context of violent riots I have no problem in them facing the legal consequences, just as if a visitor to my property came out with views that I found grossly offensive they would be shown the door. Actions, including speech, have consequences.
I ask you a simple question; do you think you should have the right to use racist language on line in order to stir up violence without legal consequence? If you think you should have that right then at least your position would be consistent, if not then may I be so bold as to say there might be an element of confusion in your thinking.
By the way, I am pretty familiar with some of the founders of the free speech union (your link), Toby Young and Douglas Murray in particular. While I do find them entertaining in a knockabout, politically incorrect sort of way, to describe them as non partisan would raise eyebrows in some quarters. Far right might be more accurate.
I am not entirely disagreeing with you in that I do actually think some of the sentences we have seen, note "some", might be seen as excessive if the circumstances or context were different.
CBE
Well-Known Member
We may as well be a tin pot nation with a dictator. He is a disgrace on a couple of levels.
Like in any leadership role, the worst kind are those that do not weald the stick equally. Yes face the full force of the law if required, don’t fast track it. My grandad would be turning in his grave fighting for this countries freedoms. Starmer just shat all over that and everyone who died for this country.
i am of a mixed background and it is anyone’s given right to call me any racist slur they like imo. I do not need the law to govern free speech for me thank you. I can equally deal with anyone ignorant enough to feel that way.
then there is the break down of trust people have for authority when he over stepped the mark on this. Not heard any fast tracking of any other cases in the uk. Dishing out the same crud that led to everyone being peed off in the first place.