Hi all Firstly, let me say that this loo is in a workshop on an industrial unit that belongs to a mate of mine - so not totally pristine due to the location Anyway, I help him out with a bit of maintenance / diy from time to time. The toilet is in two parts (unusual to me) and is leaking from the join My mate says just wack some silicon around the join (but he is a total bodger when it comes to maintenance jobs) I would rather separate the two parts, clean thoroughly and reseal and join. Don't want to replace the toilet as don't want to get involved with breaking out old porcelain and joining to cast collar My questions are - Best way to separate two sections What are they likely to be sealed with What to make new join / seal with Floor is being pulled up as it's painted laminate which has had it and walls will get a lick of paint. It's a workshop not a palace but leak needs sorting and tidying up Any help / advise gratefully received guys - thanks
Old S trap pan, it might be fitted into a clay pipe socket. Cut your loses & fit a new pan, a lot easier than trying to get a perfect seal. BUT, Stixall or Plumbers Gold sealant might work.
Never seen one of them. However from what I can see they've made it in two parts so that you can change the angel of connection. Would imagine it needs pulling apart and reselling. BUT May break when doing this, so new one with different set up for waste as they are different now!
I have. It's known as a ROTAS 2 PART S TRAP WC, & they ain't cheap. A Shires one below. And a linky, there fitting instructions as well: https://www.hmjames.co.uk/products/...wls/shires/replacement+rotas+2+part+s+trap+wc
Cheers guys; Loo is definatly fitted on the floor kools, pic rotated corect way on my phone Want to leave S trap and collar alone and separate actual toilet bowl from base (if possible),clean up and reseal Guessing joint is made using some form of putty / plumbers mait ? Not over confident in tackling this job. The grime doesn't worry me as I'm totally not screamish and actually enjoy cleaning and fixing things. Plus will get looked after by my mate The loo doesn't even smell 'pishy' it's mainly water that is leaking, especially when flushed. High level cistern so loads of gravity and force when the chain is yanked !
Look at my linky for joining instructions, they use sand & cement to join on outside & silicone sealant for internal joint. But, I reckon a modern sealant as mention in earlier reply would be better. Do the joint after your mate has finished work, will give sealant overnight or over weekend to dry properly. https://www.hmjames.co.uk/images_products_original/Web_Tech_Info/rotas.pdf
Thanks all for the input so far Nigel - yep realise the loo is in 2 parts and separating them, cleaning, then resealing is my plan Want to leave the S Trap and Collar well alone as will turn in to a much bigger job than I want. If the bowl can be separated from the trap section, then happy days Kiab (The Linkmaster) Many thanks, that's very helpful If sealed with silicon or even putty, then I may have a chance to separate If sand and cement has also been used - then no chance I guess
Many years since I've seen one, but the external sand/cement joint should come apart quite easily, gentle persuasion might help,you say it's leaking,so joint as already parted, internal joint seal shouldn't be a problem either. The pan might just lift away from base leaving cement fillet in place, stuff rag down pipe to prevent cement disappearing down it, before removing it. Very unlikely to be a putty.
So do I, where I go wrong is forgetting to take them orf when I stop for me sandwich. I would have thought twisting back and forth would free the joints, but yeah, 40 year old putty, it will be hard. I think the old school solution would be plumbers mait in the joint which I would prefer in that instance to silicone, but, wasn't there an earlier method using hemp string/rope?, depends on how much play once the crud is cleaned off. We need a plumber older than KIAB's horse to answer this one.
They are quite clear in the instructions, sand/cement external joint & silicone for internal joint, they never were joined with hemp & mastic. Plumbers Gold (from TS) should join it, whereas Plumbers Mait is a non setting mastic & so no good. http://www.everbuild.co.uk/plumbers-gold
A few pennies short of £300. http://www.colouredbathrooms.co.uk/wc-toilet-pan.html In above photo you can clearly see cement fillet, I'm amazed the toilet is still available, last one I seen was nearly 30 years ago,& it had been in use for probably 30 years then, so it's a old design,I do wonder if they actually sell any nowadays.
Managed to pop over for a couple of hours today to look at loo, also lifted laminate floor as was rotten Gave the loo a quick clean over and flushed several times to try and see where it was leaking from The S bend has a fine hairline crack around the complete circumference of it which you can just see in the photo. It's clearly leaking from here on every flush - so looking at a new toilet As mentioned, this style is silly money so hoping to replace with a 'big standard' )) loo Couple of issues are connecting the toilet to the waste in the floor as it's clearly gonna need some engineering Waste from floor is glazed clay with toilet waste cemented in Any further help would be greatly appreciated guys - many thanks for your time
Post 3, I said replace ithe toilet,the floor, is it concrete. You need to cut off clay socket to start with.