Let down & cheesed off

Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by TangerineDream, May 22, 2021.

  1. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select

    Why? I don't understand your post? That amount of work is very attractive to a carpenter/joiner, certainly not a handyman.
  2. TangerineDream

    TangerineDream Active Member

    No ta, I'll stick with the qualified joiner that has over 35 years experience & a sound reputation to do what I need & who appreciates a good client when they approach them with work. It is a shame I originally didnt consider him bc I thought he wouldnt be interested. I have never known a handyman with that level of training or experience to be able to do all required.
  3. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    After reading the entire thread, TangerineDream, I'm not surprised that none of the joiners have turned up. Now, it could be that your initial post seemed to come across as a little entitled but I could have sympathy with your plight, if it weren't for the subsequent posts reinforcing my gut feeling that youd be an absolute nightmare to work for.
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's how it reads to me.
    They [the tradesmen] should be thankful for the work.
    It is their legal responsibility to meet your fire regulation needs.
    You first of all said that they [the tradesmen you'd contacted] didn't turn up to trim the door, then later said they'd been and looked at it first but didn't get back to you.
    Furthermore, if you think you'll get those bespoke oak cupboards, shelving, boxing in and skirting done for a 'grand', I'd think again.

    Please take this as constructive criticism, as no harm intended.
  4. brian9999

    brian9999 Member

    If possible post an honest and Frank review of your experience online. Warn others. Not taking the job is one thing, taking it and not turning up is "cowboy" territory. Warn others
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  5. brian9999

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  7. brian9999

    brian9999 Member

    What we need are more tradesmen from eastern Europe and elsewhere. The issue is entitled tradesmen not entitled customers.
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  8. TangerineDream

    TangerineDream Active Member

    longboat, thanks for replying. There's nothing to forgive as often things written in black & white arent conveyed in the way they are intended & I can see why you have thought as you have regarding me. The original post was created out of frustration & upset.

    I have an incredibly great team of tradesmen I can call up that ive developed a good relationship with over the years who im grateful for, including out of hours emergencies for an electrician, plumber, drainage specialist, alarm maintenance, roofer & plasterer. The original joiner that is going to do the work ive mentioned is one I hired for a big project some time ago & hadnt considered for these jobs as I thought he only worked big contracts. I should have called him insted of assuming.

    So I phoned up another joiner I saw advertising whose advert stated 'no job too small'. They came the day after I called, looked at the work I required, quoted & said they would return the following week saying that as they were so busy theyd do the fire door 1st & boxing in (the fire door 1st bc they know im heldd to regulations & cant let subsequent areas of the property until its done). I wait a week, the day before I send a text as a courtesy reminder & receive 1 back confirming. The following day they dont turn up. Calls go unanswered, no text.

    I phone up another joiner. Joiner comes, views work & says they have to quote for 1/2 day's work which i say i dont mind at all as i just need the work doing & appreciate theyll do it. They tell me theyll definitely come the following week on a certain day. I do the same thing as the prev. guy, send a courtesy text & get 1 back confirming "cheers doll def coming see u tom". The following day, no show. Phone call not taken, no text.

    3rd joiner. Joiner comes, exactly same as above, says he will do work & asks me whats up when I get tearful. I explained what happened, he shakes head & promises he wont let me down & will come following week. Exactly the same as above.

    I phone up joiner I hired for the big project I mentioned & he says "why didnt u phone me sooner? hang on, let me get my diary, i can do your door & boxing in tues but other stuff will have to wait for a while, i know your ok with that" Not only am i ok with that, i will make sure hes well looked after, Longboat. im looking forward to seeing him again & when i do i'll sit down with him to discuss further works i need doing inc laminate flooring, joists replacement, stairs.

    As for the 1k i mentioned you picked up on, thats for labour x 5 days at £170 plus a bonus i would have given them based on being told an approximation of timescale for works. Materials i get invoiced for. Nowhere have i said any tradesmen should be thankful for the work, that is not how i think at all. what i have expressed is my ultimate frustration & upset at being let down. if it wasnt affecting my business & costing me. I will never change my opinion on the 3 joiners who have agreed to doing work after having viewed/quoted 1st only to then not bother. I think anyone who does that has behaved appallingly. If I had once rec'd a call explaining theyd run into a problem & can we resched. for another day, i would have but i didnt get that at all.

    My old joiner will be more, no issue with that as i know his work is mint.

    Longboat, regardless of the above. Do u think its acceptable for a tradesman to view work after it was detailed on the phone, quote upon visiting the site, give a date for work to commence & then not turn up? my frustration stems from this not being an isolated incident but having happened 3 times in a row with the 3 different joiners.
  9. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select

    I agree that the OP shouldn't have been let down and messed about but that is a ridiculous statement to make.
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  10. TangerineDream

    TangerineDream Active Member

    I think hes trolling & on a wind up, Jord86
  11. furious_customer

    furious_customer Screwfix Select

    And all this for 1K?
    Good luck!
  12. TangerineDream

    TangerineDream Active Member

    I have already stated the 1k is an estimate based on £170 per day labour rate quoted & was told jobs would take approximately 5 days, which I make up to £200 as a bonus = £1000 labour. The materials I pay for. Good luck with your attitude. My joiner is happy.
  13. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Heaven help us.

    We have a Happy Joiner now as well :D

    (No offence intended. Other Happy Trades are available)
  14. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    Why would a guy who has spent a lot of time and money setting up a joinery shop suitable for making bespoke oak furniture want to be messing about cutting the bottom of a fire door?

    The joiner would only be doing it as a favour, not for the money. If you’re lucky the joiner might have someone who installs joinery onsite who will do it.

    There are very few guys who are carpenters and joiners, they are generally one or the other and not furniture makers.

    Horses for courses.
    Last edited: May 24, 2021
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  15. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    If we are going to be perfectly honest any carpenter worth his salt would not come to look at trimming a door to quote, he would agree a price over the phone come then come and do it, then quote the other jobs when the door is done, but probably pass on actually making the oak furniture.
  16. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    That’s what the boss of B&Q said a few years ago, they wanted to offer a “fitting service” for everything they sold be it a kitchen, bathroom, wallpaper or anything else.

    He said UK workers were useless and B&Q were going to use predominantly European workers, now they have thrown the towel in and no longer arrange fitting.
  17. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

  18. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    So where do you think someone would knock up this bespoke joinery, on the drive outside your house?
  19. TangerineDream

    TangerineDream Active Member

    :D:D:D better than an unhappy one
  20. TangerineDream

    TangerineDream Active Member

    For the cupboard fronts & shelving, I should imagine their workshop, otherwise I have a great lot at the rear of my property for adjustments re frames if needed so he can set up. Whichever way he wants to work is entirely up to him. My neighbours had some architrave done & their joiner set up outside their property & had no issues. How do you think other joiners manage when working on a property?

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