Lockdowns aren't what they used to be.

[longboat]

hehe. I'm married, so used to being ignored ..

That's very misogynistic of you welshblue to insinuate that all married men are repressed by the women they marry.
Using stereotypical language like that makes me uncomfortable, you are obviously a horrible person.

As an example to prove that not all married men are controlled by nefarious intentioned women, my missus does what I tell her to do.
She's learned the hard way that I am always right.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

As an Englishman it is my right, nay duty to mock the french.

If that's what rocks your boat.

 

[welshblue]

my missus does what I tell her to do.

I tried that.

For pride's sake I tell people I lost my thumb and index finger in a chainsaw accident ...

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I believe we Brits are called Roast Beef by the French. Its funny. I'm not offended. I dont look for excuses to call someone racist like you do Robert Dazzulere. You must be a nightmare to work with, just incase someone says a wrong word or mentions something that sets your antennae twitching.

I have never heard or been aware of any French person referring to English as 'rosbifs'.
The only time I have heard the word is when an English person makes the allegation about the French using it.
It is apparently, a term used for English, not for British people. The French have a real affinity with Welsh, Scots and Irish people. There are of course a lot of Anglophiles in France, just as there are a lot of Francophiles in UK.

Others suggest that 'rosbifs' is a term of endearment and originates from an English liking for roast beef, which is hardly an insult. I much prefer an English version of beef to the usual French variety, only because it has been hung to allow it to 'season', whereas the French tend to serve their beef without the usual British three week seasoning. This does not apply to other varieties of meat such as pork, lamb, mutton, etc.
Indeed the French have adopted the term to refer to other roasted meats, such as in Alsace: "ross bif" which is roast horse meat, and more generally "rosbif de mouton", "rosbif au four", "la cuisson de rosbif", etc.
As you rightly said, it is a term not intended to be offensive.
Others suggest it is from an English song about roast beef.
However, longboat's description of French people was neither colloquial, customary or a recognised term and was absolutely intended to be offensive.
He openly admits it.

Nobody on this forum likes you, Robert.

Are you the self-appointed spokesperson for the forum?
Or just an opinionated person who believes his opinion must be the only allowed opinion?

welshblue isn't on my ignore list.

Then, obviously you failed to read or comprehend his/her post as you were unaware where the phrase 'mass convergence' came from.
Maybe you would have thought that it was a particular Welsh term, if you had.

 

[rajputaman04]

I can't say what the traffic, etc is like in France. I haven't been out since late October, other than local boulangerie, where only one is allowed in at a time, social distance queuing outside, etc.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I can't say what the traffic, etc is like in France. I haven't been out since late October, other than local boulangerie, where only one is allowed in at a time, social distance queuing outside, etc.

Great minds think alike, eh?

I can't say what the traffic, etc is like in France. I haven't been out since late October, other than local boulangerie, where only one is allowed in at a time, social distance queuing outside, etc.

But in general I suspect that the people here are much more responsible.
Last time I went out to supermarket, everybody, and I mean everyone, even children were wearing masks. trolleys were going through a disinfecting station, etc.

 

[sally green]

I had to go for some milk and a few bits this morning about 8-50 - traffic was heavy, buses were full, car park for the station as full as it has ever been, shopping car park fuller than normal for the time and may wlaking around into and out of shops no mask. What a bunch of clowns these that do not follow sD rules.

TBH, I blame no. 10 for not getting the police with the help of our armed forces to enforce the rules.

Trust me, once a few thousand fines are handed out, 99% of the people will comply.

Thank you to most supermarkets for enforcing, trying to enforce SD, mask wearing rules and shame of those who disobey the SD rules.

 

[unphased]

 

[rogerk101]

Did you REALLY NEED that milk?
Surely you could have done without it?
Surely the health and lives of those you put at risk by venturing out are worth more than your need for milk?
I just don't get how so many people can be so thoughtless!

 

[Dan dan the man]

Are we really supposed to believe that a vaccine has been developed so quickly, for a virus unknown to man just 10 months ago? I’m not buying it,I don’t believe a word thats said from the those charged with “leading” us! Someone is pulling the wool over out eyes..... either the virus is bogus....it ain’t as bad as made out....or worse .......fabricated.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Did you REALLY NEED that milk?
Surely you could have done without it?
Surely the health and lives of those you put at risk by venturing out are worth more than your need for milk?
I just don't get how so many people can be so thoughtless!

If you look back through Sally's posts you will see that her/his message has been consistently, to behave responsibly, i.e. social distancing where possible, masks when necessary, etc.
He/she has never suggested that no-one should venture out at all.

Your attempt at ridiculing anyone for that attitude suggests, you don't agree with her/his opinion?

 

[unphased]

If you look back through Sally's posts you will see that her/his message has been consistently, to behave responsibly, i.e. social distancing where possible, masks when necessary, etc.
He/she has never suggested that no-one should venture out at all.

Your attempt at ridiculing anyone for that attitude suggests, you don't agree with her/his opinion?

Back at you.

 

[longboat]

Are we really supposed to believe that a vaccine has been developed so quickly, for a virus unknown to man just 10 months ago? I’m not buying it,I don’t believe a word thats said from the those charged with “leading” us! Someone is pulling the wool over out eyes..... either the virus is bogus....it ain’t as bad as made out....or worse .......fabricated.

This is one of those rare occasions when I think that the UK would be faring better under a dictatorial regime riddled with corruption such as China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, vast swathes of Africa, the middle east and Asia.
They can all report testing and fatality figures with not just impunity, but admiration from established media providers.
Meanwhile here in more democratically governed quarters of the world our leaders have succumbed to media led doom mongering, almost falling over themselves to count as many deaths as they possibly can are due to this not very deadly virus.

 

[Nanook]

This is one of those rare occasions when I think that the UK would be faring better under a dictatorial regime riddled with corruption such as China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, vast swathes of Africa, the middle east and Asia.
They can all report testing and fatality figures with not just impunity, but admiration from established media providers.
Meanwhile here in more democratically governed quarters of the world our leaders have succumbed to media led doom mongering, almost falling over themselves to count as many deaths as they possibly can are due to this not very deadly virus.

A sincere question if I may. Have you ever been seriously ill from catching a virus? I mean seriously ill? Not under the weather and feeling rough for a few days or weeks, I mean seriously ill.

I could be wrong and if I am, I stand corrected but I get the feeling that those lucky enough not to know what being seriously ill is are those who a) don’t believe viruses are real; b) want to downplay them and their effects; c) don’t have a full understanding of the relationship between viruses and the immune system.

May I say from personal experience of contracting a virus as a child that it can and does greatly effect your health and quality of life. I contracted a very common virus as a child which has no cure nor a vaccine. It’s called the Herpes Simplex Virus and it is responsible for giving you cold sores around your mouth. There are two types of Herpes, the genital type and the mouth type. I contracted the mouth type from being kissed by a relative with an active cold sore.

I lived with this virus and led a very normal life up until around the age of 17 when it decided to no longer behave normally and started to attack my immune system. For the next decade, I spent a lot of time being very poorly which culminated in me being referred to a specialist unit at Guys and St Thomas in London where I was tested for everything including HIV, AIDS, liver failure, kidney failure, hepatitis and all the other nasties that scare the **** out of you. I was off work for 2 months and very nearly lost my job. The doctors were able to ascertain that the virus I contracted as a child had mutated abnormally and was fighting my immune system, hence why I was seriously ill.

So the thing about viruses is, they have lives of their own and once you contract one you have absolutely no idea how your immune system will react or cope.

 

[Nanook]

And here’s the gory details:

The cold sores diverted into my mouth where they multiplied in numbers of 30+ and covered the lining of my mouth, my tongue, my gums and my throat. This would happen every couple of months at worst and every 6 months or so at best spanning a decade. I couldn’t eat and barely drank. I was in constant pain. I slept for 16-20 hrs a day and had to be helped to stand up, walk and go to the toilet. I couldn’t talk either. I lost muscle and weight every time it happened.

I was in my late teens and 20s.

All caused by contracting the cold-sore virus.

Please think again guys when you are posting opinions and thoughts about viruses which you have no real or medical or scientific experience of. Leave it to those who study it.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

By the same token, Nanook, I hope that people are better informed about the cold sore virus.
It is highly infectious, and as you say, mostly passed on to babies and children by kissing.
It can be passed on by sharing towels also, I believe.

I believe it is only infectious during a cold sore outbreak.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Back at you.

If you feel that I ridiculed you, with my criticism of roger ridiculing sally, then you're obviously much more sensitive than you like to believe.
You were not in my thoughts when I composed that post.

However, I suspect your comment, which was irrelevant and nonsensical, was the only thing you could think of.
I'm becoming accustomed to such posts of yours now.

 

[rogerk101]

Firstly, nobody has suggested that viruses are not nasty for those who have fallen prey to them.

Everything in life requires a compromise, and the reaction to covid-19 is no exception to that rule.
Our economy was not ruined because Nanook caught a virus when he was a kid. Kissing wasn't banned because he caught that virus. The futures of the young were not destroyed because of that virus. It was accepted that viruses do exists and will always exist and that people should just be sensible about them. When I was a kid, all sorts of people used to kiss me on the mouth, as that was the culture where I grew up. As soon as I could, I became sensible about it and refused to let anyone kiss me on the mouth, and thankfully I haven't succumbed to any serious viruses since then. Economies didn't have to shut down ... just a few behaviours changed.

To date, the global covid-19 death toll is 3.4 million. As a stand alone figure, this might seem like a lot. However, as a percentage of the 7.8 billion total population amounts to 0.04%. The vast majority of those deaths are people over the age of 70 and who had health/lifestyle complications that meant that their lifespans would not likely have been very long anyway. So, a relatively small number of frail people died a few years earlier than they would have. Tragic as each covid-19 death is, they should be put into perspective.

Far greater percentages of people have died, die, and will continue to die through war, famine, motor vehicle accidents, smoking related diseases, over-eating and under-exercising ... yet how many of those causes have had similar knee-jerk reactions that affect the entire economy today and far into the future?

 

[Dan dan the man]

It seems to me that there is a big covid divide among people, those who want to try and carry on as much as normal, and those who want to shut everything down. I am very firmly in the former group! And rogers post above is bang on! It all has to be put into perspective! The media will have everyone believe that this virus is like something off of a zombie film! The moment you come into contact with it bang thats it you’re done for! But it simply isn’t, the vast vast VAST majority of people have little to no ill effects from this virus. I just wish the media would give up on the doomsday reports maybe then more sheep would stop acting so god damn scared!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Firstly, nobody has suggested that viruses are not nasty for those who have fallen prey to them.

True. What lead you to believe anyone had?

Everything in life requires a compromise, and the reaction to covid-19 is no exception to that rule.

Also true. What lead you to believe anyone had suggested it wasn't?
Compromise means going shopping when you need to, and not going when you don't need to. Going to work when you need to and not going when you can work from home, etc. Staying at home and protecting your loved ones when you can. (either by not mixing with them, or not mixing with others, as much as possible.)

Our economy was not ruined because Nanook caught a virus when he was a kid. Kissing wasn't banned because he caught that virus. The futures of the young were not destroyed because of that virus.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure no-one has suggested that either.

It was accepted that viruses do exists and will always exist and that people should just be sensible about them.

I think even the few conspiracy theorists are not denying that viruses exist. They're just claiming that Covid is not one of them.

When I was a kid, all sorts of people used to kiss me on the mouth, as that was the culture where I grew up. As soon as I could, I became sensible about it and refused to let anyone kiss me on the mouth, and thankfully I haven't succumbed to any serious viruses since then.

Education is a wonderful thing. Don't you agree?

Economies didn't have to shut down ... just a few behaviours changed.

I keep repeating, no-one is suggesting economies are shut down. It would be impossible to anyway. Medical/emergency/ social services/shops/ etc will keep functioning, and the supply chains associated with them.

To date, the global covid-19 death toll is 3.4 million. As a stand alone figure, this might seem like a lot. However, as a percentage of the 7.8 billion total population amounts to 0.04%. The vast majority of those deaths are people over the age of 70 and who had health/lifestyle complications that meant that their lifespans would not likely have been very long anyway. So, a relatively small number of frail people died a few years earlier than they would have. Tragic as each covid-19 death is, they should be put into perspective.

You won't be complaining then, when your parents/grandparents/partners lives are cut short unnecessarily?
Do you not think that your attitude is a little bit heartless to say the least?

Far greater percentages of people have died, die, and will continue to die through war, famine, motor vehicle accidents, smoking related diseases, over-eating and under-exercising ... yet how many of those causes have had similar knee-jerk reactions that affect the entire economy today and far into the future?

Right! So let's reverse all safety related considerations. Ban seat belts, kiddie seats, airbags, collapsible steering columns, catalytic converters, electric vehicles, H&S, etc.
Let's reintroduce lead piping, do away with Building Inspectors, etc.
In fact let's just forget medicine entirely. It only prolongs life. Who needs it?

It's about reduction of unnecessary deaths, not elimination of them!