Lockdowns aren't what they used to be.

rogerk101 said:
Firstly, nobody has suggested that viruses are not nasty for those who have fallen prey to them.

Everything in life requires a compromise, and the reaction to covid-19 is no exception to that rule.
Our economy was not ruined because Nanook caught a virus when he was a kid. Kissing wasn't banned because he caught that virus. The futures of the young were not destroyed because of that virus. It was accepted that viruses do exists and will always exist and that people should just be sensible about them. When I was a kid, all sorts of people used to kiss me on the mouth, as that was the culture where I grew up. As soon as I could, I became sensible about it and refused to let anyone kiss me on the mouth, and thankfully I haven't succumbed to any serious viruses since then. Economies didn't have to shut down ... just a few behaviours changed.

To date, the global covid-19 death toll is 3.4 million. As a stand alone figure, this might seem like a lot. However, as a percentage of the 7.8 billion total population amounts to 0.04%. The vast majority of those deaths are people over the age of 70 and who had health/lifestyle complications that meant that their lifespans would not likely have been very long anyway. So, a relatively small number of frail people died a few years earlier than they would have. Tragic as each covid-19 death is, they should be put into perspective.

Far greater percentages of people have died, die, and will continue to die through war, famine, motor vehicle accidents, smoking related diseases, over-eating and under-exercising ... yet how many of those causes have had similar knee-jerk reactions that affect the entire economy today and far into the future?
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Not that it matters or is relevant but I am female, I’m just really into house stuff and DIY, have been since I was a girl.

As sure as night becomes day, we’ll all die of something at some point, it’s the nature of being alive. My point was to show what a common garden variety of virus can be capable of in a young healthy individual. It’s not what people expect, it’s definitely not what I expected.

The media are in a frenzy with reporting about Covid 19, it’s way too much. No-one needs that much information on a minute by minute basis. If anything, it’s become confusing rather than informative.

Not sure if anyone can assuredly make out any predictions regards the future of the economy or the young or indeed the death and infection toll of the virus, simply because we aren’t in the future yet. It looks like it’s all going the way you’re saying it is but again that’s what the media have been working it into.

I used to work in the national media for a quite a long time... we always used to say ‘today’s news, tomorrow’s chip paper’.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
Right! So let's reverse all safety related considerations. Ban seat belts, kiddie seats, airbags, collapsible steering columns, catalytic converters, electric vehicles, H&S, etc.
Let's reintroduce lead piping, do away with Building Inspectors, etc.
In fact let's just forget medicine entirely. It only prolongs life. Who needs it?
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"If you're going to resort to absurd arguments, it demonstrates the fallibility of your theory."
 
Jord86 said:
Not you, I quoted Bobby's post.
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If you have someone on 'ignore' you don't even get to see their comments quoted by others. It can all be very confusing. In this individual's case however it's worth it. I've not known anyone else so universally ignored - even at the height of the Brexit wars.
 
WillyEckerslike said:
If you have someone on 'ignore' you don't even get to see their comments quoted by others. It can all be very confusing. In this individual's case however it's worth it. I've not known anyone else so universally ignored - even at the height of the Brexit wars.
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I did have Bobby Dazzler on ignore but it was by accident. I can’t comment on the other bit Willy. I prefer to just keep out of nastiness unless someone is directly and meaningfully being a ****.
 
WillyEckerslike said:
If you have someone on 'ignore' you don't even get to see their comments quoted by others. It can all be very confusing. In this individual's case however it's worth it. I've not known anyone else so universally ignored - even at the height of the Brexit wars.
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I don't 'ignore' anyone on here myself because I do think it's a bit childish and it's not exactly a blood pressure raising full on building site throwing stuff scrap arguing with someone on a computer screen out to troll, that said there is a limit to ones patience and it only takes one bad day to turn grumpy when reading insinuations and pernicious statements. Our choice to stay, though.
 
I've actually come to the conclusion there is no point in puting anyone on "ignore" I don't know about anyone else, but i don't log in to read threads i just come to the site and read. It's only if i want to reply to a thread i actually log in.
Because of my reading habit, i still see anyone i have "ignored" anyway........................so a complete waste of time :D
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
By the same token, Nanook, I hope that people are better informed about the cold sore virus.
It is highly infectious, and as you say, mostly passed on to babies and children by kissing.
It can be passed on by sharing towels also, I believe.

I believe it is only infectious during a cold sore outbreak.
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Thanks Bobby. It’s one of those viruses that are so common that most people don’t give it a second thought as I didn’t. Yeah sure I didn’t like having the occasional cold sore but I wasn’t expecting it to complicate into what it did and the doctors didn’t know why either. For some unbeknownst reason my immune system and the virus went into full on war. Some people get away with it, some people don’t. Thing is, you never really know which group you’re going to fall into.

Thankfully I’ve not had it for many years but it has damaged the skin in my mouth, my teeth and my gums as a result because I was sick for a long time with it. New dentists and hygienists always comment on it and ask me if I chew my mouth etc

Yes when the virus is active it is highly contagious. There are some new schools of thought on this, they are that the saliva of an infected person is active a good few days before the cold sore shows it’s host any signs of erupting.

I do feel for people who are seriously ill with Covid, it’s not fun being that poorly and we all like to think it won’t happen to us. Human nature I guess :)
 
Nanook said:
Yes when the virus is active it is highly contagious. There are some new schools of thought on this, they are that the saliva of an infected person is active a good few days before the cold sore shows it’s host any signs of erupting.
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As I understand it, some do feel a sensation in that area, a couple of days prior to the cold sore erupting?
 
Jord86 said:
"If you're going to resort to absurd arguments, it demonstrates the fallibility of your theory."
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Fair comment, but my response was an answer to roger's apparent: 'let's not bother to avoid the unnecessary deaths because they're going to die anyway.'

rogerk101 said:
Far greater percentages of people have died, die, and will continue to die through war, famine, motor vehicle accidents, smoking related diseases, over-eating and under-exercising ... yet how many of those causes have had similar knee-jerk reactions that affect the entire economy today and far into the future?
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Bobby Dazzler said:
Right! So let's reverse all safety related considerations. Ban seat belts, kiddie seats, airbags, collapsible steering columns, catalytic converters, electric vehicles, H&S, etc.
Let's reintroduce lead piping, do away with Building Inspectors, etc.
In fact let's just forget medicine entirely. It only prolongs life. Who needs it?

It's about reduction of unnecessary deaths, not elimination of them!
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Bobby Dazzler said:
As I understand it, some do feel a sensation in that area, a couple of days prior to the cold sore erupting?
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Yes that’s right, there is a tingling sensation or a feeling of intense heat in the area which is your cue to get Zovirax on it ASAP. If you don’t react quickly enough, the cold sore erupts.

What I meant was that the new schools of thought are saying the saliva in the host has become infectious even before these early sensations are making themselves known. This is new. This contradicts previous understanding which said it was only when a person had a visible cold sore that they were infectious, as in it was only the cold sore itself that was infectious.

Anyway, enough about Herpes! :)
 
Thanks Bobby. It’s one of those viruses that are so common that most people don’t give it a second thought as I didn’t. Yeah sure I didn’t like having the occasional cold sore but I wasn’t expecting it to complicate into what it did and the doctors didn’t know why either. For some unbeknownst reason my immune system and the virus went into full on war. Some people get away with it, some people don’t. Thing is, you never really know which group you’re going to fall into. mx player for pc download
 
Same here in North Staffs area, lockdown, what lockdown.
Went out to put bins out and not a single helicopter gunship in sight, no teargas, no nothing real low profile :-)
Just stay at home and stay safe makes sense, protect our wonderful health service and we will prevail.
As Nina Summon sang "I got life" so let us keep it that way.
 
IanMKnight said:
Same here in North Staffs area, lockdown, what lockdown.
Went out to put bins out and not a single helicopter gunship in sight, no teargas, no nothing real low profile :)
Just stay at home and stay safe makes sense, protect our wonderful health service and we will prevail.
As Nina Summon sang "I got life" so let us keep it that way.
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Nina Simone.
 
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