Matt emulsion on stained wood?

Discussion in 'Painters' Talk' started by Theleman, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:21 AM.

  1. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    I need to paint on the loft hatch door made of solid hard wood panel. It had been stained with dark brown colour long time ago by previous owners.

    What would be best paint for it? I have left over matt emulsion, satin wood and eggshell.

    Thinking of putting on matt emulsion first, and either satinwood or eggshell? Would it be ok? Or is there better way?
     
  2. teabreak

    teabreak Well-Known Member

    I would hit it with a stain block paint first two coats then whatever you like, other wise you will end up with endless coats of paint in an attempt to cover.
    Most DIY stores do several I like Zinsser Bullseye 123 myself but any will do.
     
  3. Odd Bodkin

    Odd Bodkin New Member

    How awkward would it be to strip the old layers away and paint afresh?
    I like to go back to the wood before applying a new coat wherever possible, although i don't use emulsion on bare wood.
     
  4. teabreak

    teabreak Well-Known Member

    Varnish can be stripped but stain has soaked right in.
    Lots of sanding!!
     
  5. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    I would have thought Matt emulsion without mixing any water would be quite thick. I know still the dark stain soaked for years would show up.

    But then eggshell or satinwood top coated are real thick paints enough to cover the stain?
     
  6. DIYDave.

    DIYDave. Well-Known Member

    ‘I have left over matt emuslion, satin wood or eggshell’

    Surely you would paint the loft hatch the same finish as surrounding woodwork ?? Wouldn’t you ??

    Ie, door frames, skirts, etc

    I know I would but maybe I’m being over fussy ;)

    If old varnish I would use Zinnser BIN, solvent based, more covering power I recon

    But there again, see what uv got laying around, maybe a coat of peanut butter or L’Oréal shampoo first and see how that goes :)
     
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  7. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    Good imagination, but always get wrong :)

    Zissner gets recommended highly but when you read negative reviews about it, you feel is it worth bothering?
     
  8. teabreak

    teabreak Well-Known Member

    But then eggshell or satinwood top coated are real thick paints enough to cover the stain?

    You risk bleed through stain blockers are formulated to prevent this.
     
  9. DIYDave.

    DIYDave. Well-Known Member

    Emulsion is water based, I bet your satin wood and eggshell are as well ? (Can get solvent based versions of both)

    Water based paints will have no ‘guts’ to stain block the dark varnish/stain/marmite that’s on your loft hatch

    As above, a dedicated stain block product is best in this situation

    If you don’t want to purchase any, then use a solvent based gloss paint after rubbing down, 2 coats should do it (you’re clearly not bothered about matching surrounding woodwork)

    This will block out the Marmite and act as a top coat as well

    Doesn’t have the adhesion over varnish of say a dedicated stain blocker and may chip away under constant use but, it’s a loft hatch, not subject to a lot of abuse I guess

    Any solvent based gloss paint laying around ? ;)
     
  10. teabreak

    teabreak Well-Known Member

    Depends too on the hatch construction if it is just a bit of ply on a batten frame just knock up a new one!
     
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  11. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    Yeah, I think there are some gloss paint left overs in the shed. I painted outside window frames with it.

    Yeah, it was just idea.

    I painted using white satinwood a bathroom door made of wood treated with linseed oil. I remember having had to paint 3x coats to totally seal dark stains of the wood. That was about 2 year ago, and it is still holding up sell.
     
  12. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    People often do not use the correct Zinsser product for the job expected from it.....yes it will dry in 45 minutes and scrape off quite easy..............full cure is achieved after 5 days.
     
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  13. KIAB

    KIAB Well-Known Member

    Turn it over, paint other side.:)
     
  14. Wayners

    Wayners Well-Known Member

    Zinnser BIN is what you need. What negative reviews? Sometimes 2 coats are required and folks don't allow enough time for it to harden off but if you read and follow the data sheet it works a treat..example.. It says to leave 1 to 3 days to dry off before you top coat but some only leave a couple of hours hence it fails
     
  15. HarDeBloodyHarHar

    HarDeBloodyHarHar Active Member

    Paint with emulsion, rubbed in with wire wool(wear gloves), then any topcoats.
     
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  16. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    So, maybe Zinnser BIN could be used for painting on the skirting boards in one of the rooms? It is totally vinyl finish on the boards, and when I tried painting on it, paint was just all dripping down to the floor.
     
  17. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    Yeah, I was going to also try this. Giving a light rub on the hatch door with wire wool or sand paper, and then apply emulsion.
     
  18. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    Don't forget the tweezers to pick out the rusty wire wool from the emulsion once it has dried. o_O
     
  19. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    Are the skirtings upvc?
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2018 at 9:44 PM
  20. Theleman

    Theleman Active Member

    Yes, it is.

    The inside seems MDF, but finish looks UPVC.
     

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