May's advisors.

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Various sources are saying the D notice story is false. I for one hope that's the truth.
 
I had to look up what a D notice was.

I doubt it's true in this case. Poor May has a hell of a task in any case without compounding it with a foolish attempt at keeping things quiet.

She's an arris, but she ain't Trump.
 
Sites like that are great but hardly going to give us a definite answer on "did A vote for this because of B?". And to be fair, people, including Mp's can say what they like. Outright lie if needs be.
My contention is that the potential for conflict of interest is inherent to this system. That it's cross party, of huge significance and consequence and a gaping wound in the fabric of society.
I think to prove that you'd need to look for cases where an MP consistently votes against his party on certain topics. Conservatives tend to always vote in favour of the private sector so finding those would be hard - probably easier to find Labour MPs, even if it's not more prevalent in that party.

However, I still think it's interesting to actually read parts of some debates - especially if your MP makes a contribution.
In truth, it's probably also a waste of time. I live in a shire so I'm getting a Conservative and my vote counts for nothing. If my MP was any good then I'd vote for him no matter which party he belonged to. It drives me crazy when people say they're voting for "May" or "Corbyn" (unless they live in Islington or Maidstone). But that's because, like you (?), I think the party system is a barrier to representative democracy.
 
Btiw and Jack, I think you're right that largely Mp's vote on party lines and that pr wouldn't change that side of things. It would however mean that a broader spectrum would be represented in parliament. My view is that there then needs to be further reform. Direct democracy on major issues like; should we sell off the NHS, renationalise the railways or bomb Iraq? Yes, I know referendums get bad press and folk say people aren't equipped to take part in them but my view is that this is part of the current malaise. Ref the brexit campaigns...no facts were presented. The same in the general election, anything but facts, just playground squabbling.
I agree, but we had a referendum on an alternative voting system. I lost that one too.
 
Yes, a referendum was offered on a ridiculously fudged av system.
Iirc it was sort of designed to fail, it was that incomprehensible.
 
"Hundreds of aluminium panels called Reynobond are believed to have been fitted to Grenfell Tower. Reynobond makes three types of panel: one with a flammable plastic core and two with fire-resistant cores. It is thought that contractors chose the cheaper, more combustible, version for Grenfell.

A salesman for US-based Reynobond told The Times that this version, which has a polyethylene core and is known as PE, was banned in American buildings taller than 40ft (12.2m) for fire safety reasons. “It’s because of the fire and smoke spread,” he said. “The FR [variant] is fire-resistant. The PE is just plastic.”

Reynobond’s fire-resistant panel sells for £24 per square metre — £2 more expensive than the standard version. The Times has estimated that contractors could have acquired the fire-resistant version for less than £5,000 extra. No one can put a price on a life, but that £5,000 figure may well be cited again and again."
Something tells me that the UK will adopt similar restrictions (to the US) on the use of these panels after this tragic accident.
 
Something tells me that the UK will adopt similar restrictions (to the US) on the use of these panels after this tragic accident.


Not the old "Lessons will be learnt " carp that said every time somebody ***** up.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Who did? Or who is going to get hung out to dry for it?

2 or more different sets of people, but only 1 will be accounted for ?


You bet your life the one who's blamed will not be the same as who gave permission for the tiles to be used.
 
At the end of the day, somebody signed it off, now I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now.
Are you saying that the refurb works weren't carried out in a manner that complied with the regulations, or that a fall guy will be strung up for the people to see?
 
then May took on the newly-ousted MP Gavin Barwell as her chief of staff.

Barwell was the housing minister in the last government and became the 4th housing minister in a row to fail to instigate the recommend safety review following the blaze at Lakanal House in Camberwell in 2009.
Christ DA, you almost sound like Corbyn,, trying to make political capital out of a tragedy.
 
Christ DA, you almost sound like Corbyn,, trying to make political capital out of a tragedy.
It was a political decision not to release the report and act on it as it was a political decision not to make sure homes were fit for human habitation.
 
Btiw and Jack, I think you're right that largely Mp's vote on party lines.
Which is exactly why the parliamentary whip system needs disbanding. MP's need to be able to vote on all matters by following their conscience,, not what the leader of their particular party says they should vote.
 
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