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Various sources are saying the D notice story is false. I for one hope that's the truth.
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I think to prove that you'd need to look for cases where an MP consistently votes against his party on certain topics. Conservatives tend to always vote in favour of the private sector so finding those would be hard - probably easier to find Labour MPs, even if it's not more prevalent in that party.Sites like that are great but hardly going to give us a definite answer on "did A vote for this because of B?". And to be fair, people, including Mp's can say what they like. Outright lie if needs be.
My contention is that the potential for conflict of interest is inherent to this system. That it's cross party, of huge significance and consequence and a gaping wound in the fabric of society.
I agree, but we had a referendum on an alternative voting system. I lost that one too.Btiw and Jack, I think you're right that largely Mp's vote on party lines and that pr wouldn't change that side of things. It would however mean that a broader spectrum would be represented in parliament. My view is that there then needs to be further reform. Direct democracy on major issues like; should we sell off the NHS, renationalise the railways or bomb Iraq? Yes, I know referendums get bad press and folk say people aren't equipped to take part in them but my view is that this is part of the current malaise. Ref the brexit campaigns...no facts were presented. The same in the general election, anything but facts, just playground squabbling.
Something tells me that the UK will adopt similar restrictions (to the US) on the use of these panels after this tragic accident."Hundreds of aluminium panels called Reynobond are believed to have been fitted to Grenfell Tower. Reynobond makes three types of panel: one with a flammable plastic core and two with fire-resistant cores. It is thought that contractors chose the cheaper, more combustible, version for Grenfell.
A salesman for US-based Reynobond told The Times that this version, which has a polyethylene core and is known as PE, was banned in American buildings taller than 40ft (12.2m) for fire safety reasons. “It’s because of the fire and smoke spread,” he said. “The FR [variant] is fire-resistant. The PE is just plastic.”
Reynobond’s fire-resistant panel sells for £24 per square metre — £2 more expensive than the standard version. The Times has estimated that contractors could have acquired the fire-resistant version for less than £5,000 extra. No one can put a price on a life, but that £5,000 figure may well be cited again and again."
Something tells me that the UK will adopt similar restrictions (to the US) on the use of these panels after this tragic accident.
Something tells me that the UK will adopt similar restrictions (to the US) on the use of these panels after this tragic accident.
That's just the way it is and always has been.New bolt for the stable door, yes.
Who would you say 'funked up' in this instance?Not the old "Lessons will be learnt " carp that said every time somebody ***** up.![]()
Who would you say 'funked up' in this instance?
Who would you say 'funked up' in this instance?
Who did? Or who is going to get hung out to dry for it?
2 or more different sets of people, but only 1 will be accounted for ?
Are you saying that the refurb works weren't carried out in a manner that complied with the regulations, or that a fall guy will be strung up for the people to see?At the end of the day, somebody signed it off, now I wouldn't want to be in their shoes right now.
They may be banned in the US and other countries for use on tower blocks, I don't think the same applies to the UK, yet?You bet your life the one who's blamed will not be the same as who gave permission for the tiles to be used.
If the restrictive powers of a D-notice were applied you wouldn't hear about it anyway, would you?Various sources are saying the D notice story is false. I for one hope that's the truth.
Christ DA, you almost sound like Corbyn,, trying to make political capital out of a tragedy.then May took on the newly-ousted MP Gavin Barwell as her chief of staff.
Barwell was the housing minister in the last government and became the 4th housing minister in a row to fail to instigate the recommend safety review following the blaze at Lakanal House in Camberwell in 2009.
It was a political decision not to release the report and act on it as it was a political decision not to make sure homes were fit for human habitation.Christ DA, you almost sound like Corbyn,, trying to make political capital out of a tragedy.
Which is exactly why the parliamentary whip system needs disbanding. MP's need to be able to vote on all matters by following their conscience,, not what the leader of their particular party says they should vote.Btiw and Jack, I think you're right that largely Mp's vote on party lines.
Are you saying that the refurb works weren't carried out in a manner that complied with the regulations, or that a fall guy will be strung up for the people to see?