Nasty scumbags

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Harry Stottle, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Active Member

    What's all the fuss over the police in Newcastle paying a criminal £10000 for information that led to the arrest and conviction of 16 really nasty scumbags who ruined the lives of many young white girls? Was the fuss by all those politically correct busybodies because the perpetrators were Asian?

    It was money well spent in my view, I'm quite relaxed about some of my tax money being spent in this way.
     
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  2. Dr Bodgit

    Dr Bodgit Well-Known Member

    I'm with you. Some people might disagree with what's been done, as it could be deemed as somewhat "immoral". But if the Police haven't broken any rules then fairs fair and it got the right result.
     
  3. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    "criminal" wouldn't be my choice of word for a convicted child rapist with over 50 counts on his record.
     
  4. Devil's Advocate

    Devil's Advocate Well-Known Member

    Damn, I agree with 'arry.

    The fact the guy is a paedophile is largely irrelevant - I presume he's done the crime and paid the price? In which case he is now an 'insider', 'grass', 'turncoat', 'stool-pigeon', whatevs - and he's shopping the type of foul people he was once (and hopefully not any more) part of.

    £10k well spent.

    We wouldn't be talking about this if it had been a burglar, mugger or even a contract-killer.

    They have been caught, paid the penalty, are hopefully reformed, and are now prepared to shop the types of crim they once were.

    Cool.
     
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  5. Dr Bodgit

    Dr Bodgit Well-Known Member

    or Kool
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    PC?
     
  6. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    Reformed kiddy fiddlers?
    Don't believe they exist. Neither do I believe they should be on the streets. Let alone paid for being kiddy fiddlers.
     
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  7. Dr Bodgit

    Dr Bodgit Well-Known Member

    What you believe is neither here nor there. The rules of this land are all that matters.
     
  8. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    The rules of the land are wrong.
    Right trumps rules.
     
  9. Devil's Advocate

    Devil's Advocate Well-Known Member

    Of course you don't.

    'Cos you are all man. You're the GUY!

    You show your caring side by saying things like this! It would NEVER apply to YOU!

    Why not show us just how MUCH you CARE by describing all the things you'd do to 'them'! Come on - graphic details, please, 'cos the more you DO and SAY, the more you CARE!

    etc etc etc.

    Anyhoo, even if this guy ain't reformed, at least he's taken down a goodly number of his competitors.

    (oops...)
     
  10. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    What I would do is lock them away from society DA. I rather doubt that fits your imagination of my thoughts though.

    If you think child rapists are regular criminals who get reformed by a few years in jail you're deluding yourself.

    This sick sod got paid 10k. If anyone thinks he would have provided names etc for free, they too are deluding themselves.
     
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  11. fillyboy

    fillyboy Active Member

    I'd like to think there is hope for everyone PJ.
    Believe it or not, I was once a Socialist.
     
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  12. longboat

    longboat Well-Known Member

    Reformed? No, probably not. At least in the thought context anyway, but I'm sure they could be reformed in a way that prevents them from acting on their desires.

    I don't think he was paid for being a kiddly fiddler, that would be ridiculous. He was paid for information, simple as that.
     
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  13. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    You think he would have been used and paid 10k if he wasn't a proper wrongun?

    Of course he was paid because he's a kiddy fiddler. It was his qualification for the job.
     
  14. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Active Member

    I agree with PJ in that right trumps rules. Rules ought to be made so that they support what's right, unfortunately that's not always the case and that's where Judges come in, they should be judging, not just applying rules. Unfortunately again, they seem to be applying rules irrespective of what's right more and more often these days.

    More specific to the Newcastle case; why put them in jail at great expense to taxpayers, when they are released it's likely they'll do the same again to some other victims. Why not just castrate them and tattoo "Nonce" onto their foreheads? I hope they have a very hard time in jail.
     
  15. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Active Member

    Spot on PJ
     
  16. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Active Member

    Quite right "criminal" is too kind.
     
  17. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Active Member

    Hello DA. It's a pleasant change for us to be in agreement and you're absolutely right in every word here. I'm pleased you put "hopefully" in italics although I fear it's a vain hope, these kinds of people are just rotten through and through and I doubt if they'll ever change.
    Harry
     
  18. Devil's Advocate

    Devil's Advocate Well-Known Member

    They are not 'rotten', Harry. Not any more than they are tall or short. Their behaviour - in some cases - can be called what you want, including 'rotten', if it is.

    They did not choose to be attracted to young children - they were either born that way or else suffered abuse as children themselves.

    Yes, it's utterly repugnant to us 'normal' folk as it's a crime that hits at the most vulnerable amongst in the most depraved way, but have you ever thought to yourself "Thank gawd I don't have these desires"? If you haven't thought that to yourself, then you should - and be thankful.

    It one of the lotteries of life.

    Because just imagine if you did have these same predilections. Please don't do a Mr Ha and try and pretend that this, or being gay, is a 'lifestyle choice'...

    Seriously, look back over your life and imagine how different it would almost certainly have been. Every time you visit friends with young kids, you are racked with self-loathing with the secret inside you.

    What makes one of 'these' folk 'rotten' is if they choose to act on these desires. Some - I'm guessing many, most - do not, because they know it's wrong, and they fully understand the shame if they did act on it.

    This particular guy? I know nothing more about him than you do. Clearly he did act on his desires at one point, because he was caught and convicted. So, yes, let's call him 'rotten'.

    However, what's he like now? We don't know.

    All we do seemingly know is that for a pitiful £10k he infiltrated and shopped a large group of predatory paedophiles.

    That would suggest to me that he's turned his life around. I mean, if you were a convicted bank robber, why - on your release - would you agree to infiltrate a gang of bank robbers in order to shop them? Would it be because (a) you are still a bank robber who wants to carry on being a bank robber, or (b) because you were a bank robber and have now turned your life around - and you don't really like bank robbers any more?

    I don't know.




    (See? I only agree with you up to a point.)
     
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  19. RolandK

    RolandK Member

    The end justifies the means
     
  20. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    Da, the guy has over 50 counts against him!
    Over 50!!!!

    And similar to Rotherham, the plod had long had reasonable grounds to suspect what was going on, had even had reports made to them by people like probation officers, had turned up to locations where young girls were found drunk and drugged with known pedos...and took no action....Nothing to see, move on. Incompetence. And when they finally got around to taking it seriously they paid a poor soul who's attracted to kids, knows it's wrong but couldn't help himself at least 50 times....10k to give them some car registration s and addresses....the sort of thing that they already had....and which plod are paid to investigate.

    And here we have people being apologists for pedos!!!! Beggars belief. And to even mention pedos in the same context as homosexuals is a disgrace.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2017

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