Nick Schon

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Ever spoken to any Germans about that event? Or understood the reason and response?
No.
I haven't spoken to any German's or anyone else for that matter who was there.
I'd like to know the reasons for it happening though.
From the, German perspective.
Do tell.
 
We are still one of the best countries in the world at inventing, designing and developing, take grapheme, pharmaceuticals, computer science etc. as examples. The reasons why we have fallen behind in manufacturing are that labour costs in other countries are often lower, so much so that it's still more economic, even allowing for shipping costs, to buy goods from abroad, global communication and transport have improved massively since the UK was the top manufacturer of all value goods. Fortunately we are good at manufacturing and exporting high value products, even with the stupidly high cost of energy in the UK due to green taxes that firms other countries don't have to pay.
 
It's like you're a double agent.

take grapheme
Yes, let's.

Graphene, that wonder substance that's poised to revolutionise electronics and material science.

Discovered by the Nobel prize winners Sir Andre Geim and Sir Konstantin Novoselov - both immigrants - working on projects funded with EU research grants.
He previously worked in the Netherlands levitating frogs, but our EU membership meant he could freely move and work in Manchester.

Sir Geim, the immigrant, who now says Brexit will gut science in the UK so he's looking at going back to Continental Europe.

Graphene, the wonder substance that the EU Graphene Flagship project has over a billion Euros of research funding to allocate. I wonder where the best and brightest minds will go?

Sir Geim (the immigrant who invented graphene on an EU funded project) who said "At about 4 a.m. it became clear that the Remainers were likely to lose, I went to bed acknowledging the human species were not very smart animals."

And it's graphene, with an "n", not an "m".

I'd like to examine pharmaceutical industry now, or perhaps East Europeans computer scientists and mathematicians.
But frankly, I don't have the time or enough crayons to explain it to you.
 
BTIW raises a very good point how are we going to keep the grants which the EU currently gives us going?
 
BTIW raises a very good point how are we going to keep the grants which the EU currently gives us going?
Any money that we "get or receive" from the EU comes from the money that we have already given them.
So in essence they are giving us a little bit of our own money back in the guise of a grant.
 
It's like you're a double agent.


Yes, let's.

Graphene, that wonder substance that's poised to revolutionise electronics and material science.

Discovered by the Nobel prize winners Sir Andre Geim and Sir Konstantin Novoselov - both immigrants - working on projects funded with EU research grants.
He previously worked in the Netherlands levitating frogs, but our EU membership meant he could freely move and work in Manchester.

Sir Geim, the immigrant, who now says Brexit will gut science in the UK so he's looking at going back to Continental Europe.

Graphene, the wonder substance that the EU Graphene Flagship project has over a billion Euros of research funding to allocate. I wonder where the best and brightest minds will go?

Sir Geim (the immigrant who invented graphene on an EU funded project) who said "At about 4 a.m. it became clear that the Remainers were likely to lose, I went to bed acknowledging the human species were not very smart animals."

And it's graphene, with an "n", not an "m".

I'd like to examine pharmaceutical industry now, or perhaps East Europeans computer scientists and mathematicians.
But frankly, I don't have the time or enough crayons to explain it to you.

Dare I wonder how Harry will respond to this?
 
BTIW raises a very good point how are we going to keep the grants which the EU currently gives us going?

And scientific (and medical?) research is an area where we received significantly more than we give.

Davis considers this a mere formality - it'll simply be negotiated like everything else so we still win win win.
 
Moments before the Battle of Trafalgar. Nelson: "Order the signal, Hardy." Hardy: "Aye, aye sir.." Nelson: "Hold on, that's not what I dictated to Flags. What's the meaning of this?" Hardy: "Sorry sir?" Nelson (reading aloud): “ England expects every person to do his or her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious persuasion or disability." "What gobbledygook is this?" Hardy: "Admiralty policy, I'm afraid, sir. We be an equal opportunities employer now. We had the devil's own job getting ' England ' past the censors, lest it be considered racist." Nelson: "Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco." Hardy: "Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated smoke-free work environments." Nelson: "In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the main brace to steel the men before battle." Hardy: "The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. 'Tis part of the Government's policy on binge drinking." Nelson: "Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we'd better get on with it - full speed ahead!" Hardy: "I think you'll find that there be a 4 knot speed limit in this stretch of water." Nelson: "Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in history. We must advance with all dispatch. “Give me a report from the crow's nest please." Hardy: "'Tain't possible, sir." Nelson: "What?" Hardy: "Health and Safety have closed the crow's nest, sir. There’s no harness, and they said that rope ladders don't meet regulations. They won't let anyone up there until proper scaffolding be erected." Nelson: "Then get me the ship's carpenter without delay, Hardy." Hardy: "He be busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the fo'c'sle, Admiral." Nelson: "Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd." Hardy: "Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a barrier-free environment for the differently abled." Nelson: "Differently abled? I've only one arm and one eye and I refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank of admiral by playing the disability card." Hardy: "Actually, sir, you did. The Royal Navy is underrepresented in the areas of visual impairment and limb deficiency." Nelson: "Whatever next? Give me full sail. The salt spray beckons." Hardy: "A couple of problems there too, sir. Health and safety won't let the crew up the rigging without hard hats and sunscreen. And they don't want anyone breathing in too much salt - haven't you seen the adverts?" Nelson: "I've never heard such infamy. Break out the cannon and tell the men to stand by to engage the enemy." Hardy: "The men be bit worried about shooting at anyone, Admiral." Nelson: "What? This is mutiny!" Hardy: "'Tisn't that, sir. 'Tis just that they be afraid of being charged with murder if they actually kill anyone. There be a couple of legal-aid lawyers on board, watching everyone like hawks." Nelson: "Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?" Hardy: "Actually, sir, we're not." Nelson: "We're not?" Hardy: "No, sir. The French and the Spanish be our European partners now. According to the Common Fisheries Policy, we shouldn't even be in this stretch of water. We could get hit with a claim for compensation." Nelson: "But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil." Hardy: "I wouldn't let the ship's diversity coordinator hear you saying that sir. You'll be up on disciplinary report and an ethnicity equality re-training course" Nelson: "You must consider every man an enemy, who speaks ill of your King." Hardy: "Not any more, sir. We must be inclusive in this multicultural age. Now put on your Kevlar vest; 'tis the rules. It could save your life" Nelson: "Don't tell me - health and safety. Whatever happened to rum, sodomy and the lash?" Hardy: As I explained, sir, rum be off the menu! And there be a ban on corporal punishment." Nelson: "What about sodomy?" Hardy: "I believe 'tis now legal, sir." Nelson: "In that case . . . kiss me, Hardy."


 
And scientific (and medical?) research is an area where we received significantly more than we give.

Davis considers this a mere formality - it'll simply be negotiated like everything else so we still win win win.


Really??? €1.2 Billion in 2015, so about 10% of what we pay in, add that to the €5.7 Billion the public sector received and you're just over half of what we paid in, there might be a few Million € dotted about on other things, but it far short of what we pay in.
 
This is a very difficult subject. Considering apprenticeships as "cheap labour" depends in what industry you are in.

My company are very passionate about up skilling apprentices as we are dedicated in developing new talent, crafting skills and working on creating the very best.

If you want to understand it on my perspective, you can see it here:

https://www.ajccarpentry.co.uk/careers/apprentices

Dave


Do your apprentices get to open the lid to release the.


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