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This is the level we are working at; Longs presumably chuckles to himself at his rapier wit every single time he posts a pic of Cap'n Picard face-palming as if he's actually made a point, and JJ really does believe that every time Barnier rebuffs the UK's utterly stupid demands it adds to his justification for leaving in the first place.
Meanwhile, Filly jumps up and down excitedly firing out 'likes' and almost certainly wets himself a wee bit when he finds a pic of a crashed Stuka - which he then cannot even post properly on the thread.
That's it, lads - there's yer 'Leavers' for you.
We are in trouble.
Meanwhile, Filly jumps up and down excitedly firing out 'likes' and almost certainly wets himself a wee bit when he finds a pic of a crashed Stuka - which he then cannot even post properly on the thread.
That's it, lads - there's yer 'Leavers' for you.
We are in trouble.
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The minutes from the meeting have been leaked.
Barnier - We want billions of Euros from you.
Davies - What for?
Barnier - Leaving the EU.
Davies - How much do you want?
Barnier - I'm not telling you. How much are you prepared to pay?
Davies - What will get in return by the way of a trade deal?
Barnier - I'm not telling you. We can't discuss that until you've agreed to pay the money we want.
Davies - How much is that ?
Barnier - I'm not telling you
You see, this is what we're up against.
It's like speaking with JoT.
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What dont you understand?
We are leaving the EU, they are not kicking us out. They have the upper hand in the negotiations. We have to agree terms, and honour our commitments.
Relatively simple to work out a figure and state it. But our leaders have backed themselves into a corner and wont produce a figure because all the brexit supporters didnt think there would be a cost and will get uptight. And our leaders have told the sheep that th EU can whistle for the money.
So we cant get on to trade terms and stuff that is important for business and people because of the attitude of our negotiators.
You clearly think we can dictate to EU. Guess what, it is us getting the kicking.
So yes it may be like speaking to me. Common sense and open eyes. Not the headlines and letting EU whistle.
My prediction. We will toe the line soon, because we will have to.
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The trouble with any point Longs thinks he has made is weakened because of his stubborn reluctance to accept there are 2 sides to the argument, not just his.
Failing to recognise any advantages seriously weakens and exposes his views.
Anybody, from either side of the argument who cannot see advantages and disadvantages hasnt got a grip of reality.
It is that simple.
Possibly part of the problem is that they still think they are fighting the world wars.
Advantages of the E.U. are that its the biggest trade union in the world and we had one of the biggest voting rights on what laws/ rules there was on trading and now we have given up our voting right but will still have to meet all current trading laws and rules and future ones just like Norway who Farage compared Britain to during the ref which is absurd in its self as Norway have less population than Scotland.
If we are honest those are the main advantages. now on terms of leaving its an open book no one has any idea whats going to happen right now we are all on a boat staring in to the abyss (probably wrong word to use) not knowing whats on the other side and the people elected to lead us are running around like headless chickens.
Now in my opinion in short to mid term we are screwed as all these new trade deals will need to be made to just replace the ones severed. I reckon after about 7-8 years things might start looking up and going back to normality but in all honesty just like everyone else I don't have a scooby and am just guessing.
If we are honest those are the main advantages. now on terms of leaving its an open book no one has any idea whats going to happen right now we are all on a boat staring in to the abyss (probably wrong word to use) not knowing whats on the other side and the people elected to lead us are running around like headless chickens.
Now in my opinion in short to mid term we are screwed as all these new trade deals will need to be made to just replace the ones severed. I reckon after about 7-8 years things might start looking up and going back to normality but in all honesty just like everyone else I don't have a scooby and am just guessing.
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Absolutely, but I don't think there's been even the slightest hint that we won't pay what we are legally obligated to pay.
Maybe you know different?
"The brexit supporters didn't think there'd be a cost and will get uptight".
You are funny, Jack.
There have been no official estimates published of the size of the bill. In the opening negotiations both sides will seek to agree on the methodology for calculating the bill, and the actual figure will be finalised at the end of negotiations.
Perhaps we should just pay whatever they demand without any explanation to the costing methodology used?
That might be okay with you, but most people don't enjoy taking their pants down and bending over.
As I said, you may enjoy it, but it wouldn't be very pleasant for the negotiators, or the UK.
No, getting a kicking (or shafted) is what happens when someone with your mindset tries to negotiate a deal.
You've been reading nothing 'but' the headlines, Jack. Your eyes are open, but the lights are out.
Your reasons for typing such unsubstantiated nonsense, for a start.
longboat
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Welcome, broon.
And thank you for pointing out two advantages of, EU membership.
Others on here a very reluctant to do so, for some reason?
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Stamp your feet as much as you like, throw yourself on the floor and start wailing if you think it will help.
It won't.
No it doesn't.
It's your job to make me aware of the advantages in a convincing and coherent manner if you don't agree with my opinions.
Thats if you want to, of course. No one is forcing you to do so.
Damn and blast, you've sussed us.
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Yep, should be relatively easy to work out a figure. Think of a number, times it by about twenty thousand, add on the figure you first thought of and subtract the number someone else thought of (between 1 and 10) then times that amount by another figure , the other chap thought of ... So why won't Barnier tell us the number? Christ sake, this is getting bloody boring now.. (and you think we should bloody pay any amount without knowing the figure we're supposed to negotiate? ) Would you pay Costco for cancelling your membership? Would you even pay the RAC money if you cancelled your membership (because they told you they'd lose revenue) ?
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That's nice,, coming from someone who fails to accept the result of the bloody referendum, and is prepared to argue that we shouldn't leave the expensive club we joined. Costing this country millions every bloody year. Take our manufacturing base and move it to the continent or even outside the EU. Buy up our energy companies (yep, who do you think owns the majority of energy companies in this country now? )
The EU was designed to help the economy of the original founding members (well at least one of them,, Which one, I'll let you make your own mind up about) Make no bones about it, the EU seemed like a good idea whilst it was a simple trading club (ie,, the EEC) It's become an out of control monster. One which seeks to rule all member countries with stupid dictates.. Where did a trading club gain so much power? (and who let it? )
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Longs, if you could see both sides of the argument that post might have been worth writing.
As it is you just exposed yourself again.
As for convincing you of any benefits, it is nobodys job but your own. If you cant see any benefits there is no point discussing the contentious bits.
As for been no mention of paying our commitments. Did you not hear Johnson say that they can whistle for it ?
Yet again you prove why it should never have been the subject of a referendum.
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Why wont Barnier tell us the number?
Think about it then answer when you are ready ?
It is not a club like you think, and guess who has the stronger hand ?
Longs still thinks we can dictate to the EU, maybe you do too.
Thanks for the welcome longs. I have got to say I voted to remain as I didn't see why leaving the biggest trade union was a good idea plus we had a large vote on the rules of that union. Another benefit I thought of is the grants for farmers and agricultural work.
That is something I don't know if we will be able to do on our own but we might.
In the same aspect I am Scottish and voted for independence so I can see why people voted for brexit as this was Britain's chance of independence. Now don't get me wrong I was disappointed with the result but the longer it has gone on you just have to accept it. Now the main thing is keeping the politicians right cause they don't have a clue what there doing on either side.
The reason Barnier won't tell us a number is because no one is sure of the number my thought on this bill is just to force especially smaller members from leaving. Its a scare tactic and unfortunately as we are the first to get off we will probably be hit the hardest.
Once again this is all just my opinion.
That is something I don't know if we will be able to do on our own but we might.
In the same aspect I am Scottish and voted for independence so I can see why people voted for brexit as this was Britain's chance of independence. Now don't get me wrong I was disappointed with the result but the longer it has gone on you just have to accept it. Now the main thing is keeping the politicians right cause they don't have a clue what there doing on either side.
The reason Barnier won't tell us a number is because no one is sure of the number my thought on this bill is just to force especially smaller members from leaving. Its a scare tactic and unfortunately as we are the first to get off we will probably be hit the hardest.
Once again this is all just my opinion.
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I need to pause right there whilst my jaw lifts itself back up off the floor.
Lol-de-bleedin'-lol.
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Tsk, Longs - I, amongst others, have covered this in detail, waaaaaay back even before the Ref vote. In threads that tried to tackle these issues sensibly.
Before the u-s became completely silly* and it all became completely pointless (I suspect even btiw2 is realising the futility now), and now I just amuse myself by starting new threads with droll little titles and sit back as the u-s goes berserk.
*'Silly' = a nice little euphemism for hate-filled bigot.
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Indeed, Broon. The single biggest trading union. Which also provides us with peace and stability - the first time in history where Britain didn't have to even consider the risk of warfare with any of its joint EU neighbours. (Before Longs poo-poos that idea, perhaps he should remind himself what happened in Bosnia barely over 20 years ago. And what happens when an economic downturn occurs, coupled with populist rhetoric - yes, I'm talking HITLER
). And the highest humanitarian guidelines. And workers' rights. It's about UNITY and not isolation. It's about sharing common goals, supporting each other for a better world.
I walk, every single day, on a Blue Flag beach (obligation by the EC Water Framework Directive), which I drive down to in my Euro5 emissions car.
Damn - I've started to answer Longs stupid question.
Let's ask a prominent Leaver for the benefits of leaving. Let's see - Chris Grayling SoS for Transport. He - staggeringly - struggled to answer before claiming that we'd now be able to fit railway platforms at whatever height we wanted, and not what the EU tells us to!
He either didn't know - or tried to avoid acknowledging - that the perfectly sensible EU directive allows for heights to be set at what suits the trains concerned.
And this guy is brighter than Davis.
How is this all going to end up? Almost certainly with the UK still in the Single Market (or near equivalent), still contributing annual sums for the privilege, and still open to the free movement of EU citizens (which is good for us anyway).
Ie - no 'better off' in the way that Leavers imagined in their sorry minds.
But definitely with humiliation, egg-flambé on face, derided and mocked by the rest of the world. Just as we deserve.
RIP the Former Great Britain.
Wrecked by a bunch of rabid, deluded, ignorant & bigoted twits.
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If ever you wonder which way to look at such an issue, it also kinda helps to see who's on each side.
I do love making these lists
I especially like to see the usual-suspect's compatriots in the political and media worlds. If you don't smell a big stinking rotten rat from that exercise, you just ain't doing it properly.
I do love making these lists
I especially like to see the usual-suspect's compatriots in the political and media worlds. If you don't smell a big stinking rotten rat from that exercise, you just ain't doing it properly.
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Reason is a noun. It's a thing. It's something we can have; something we can cherish and value.
But reason is also a verb. It's something we can do.
We tend to value the things that we use.
If you value your SDS drill I'm going to conclude that it's because it is something that is useful to you, and therefore that you use it.
If you liked your SDS drill but never used it, then I'd assume you had a weird SDS fetish.
Maybe you wanted to be like the cool kids who... umm... make holes in masonry?
No, that doesn't work. This analogy[1] sucks.
I was trying to show how we can only claim to value the noun "reason" if we also use the verb.
It turns out trying to translate the thoughts in our heads into words on the internet is hard.
But we have to try and do it anyway. So I may not good at reasoning with people, but clumsy practice may improve my skills.
But some people refuse to reason, don't they? They resort to calling people names, rant, rave, and make lists of who's beastly and nice.
And maybe it is futile to try and reason with those sort of people - but I thought you deserved another chance anyway.
FWIW: JoT and Filly were discussing cheaper imports here http://community.screwfix.com/threads/nick-schon.191151/page-5#post-1533387
If you'd read the words (instead of looking for pictures of Chancellor Merkel) you'd have seen that the discussions about Germany meant that JoT was arguing that cheaper imports were a bad thing and Filly arguing they were a good thing.
However the Brexit vote means that (for the UK) imports are more expensive - the exact opposite of what each side claimed to value.
It was like two rival football fans who accidentally exchange tickets and find themselves cheering for the wrong side. I was interested how they were going to resolve this seeming paradox.
But, noooo.... you raise the level of debate with "Silly Filly" and a rant about my energy bill. *whatever*.
"Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike.
No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the remainers.
The people outside looked from Brexiteer to remainer, and from remainer to Brexiteer, and from Brexiteer to remainer again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
(apologies to George Orwell)
I await your dismissive response with resignation.
[1] The word analogy looks weird. I hope I haven't accidentally discovered the word that means the study of .... Well, you see what I mean.