Ok its only meant to be humorous, and it is only a slight jibe. But why do you always start the personal attacks when you begin to lose the logic? The problem is that others latch onto it and it escalates. You have had to apologise to me before for that. Don't go down that route again? Argue and discuss by all means ? Forget the cheap shots though huh? And regarding cars, think the logic through? What cars do you the think will become dearer, and what quality cars from our new trading partners will we get? Tata, hindustan and various chinese rubbish. If you value Audi as your quality marker, then you have voted against owning 1?
Between you and me Jack, I for one wouldn't mind owning a Tata. http://www.jaguar.co.uk/index.html?...Uw&gclsrc=ds&dclid=CInE7PruqNMCFWwh0wodrvYBFg
Yeah it was just a bit of fun, I thought it was amusing so couldn't resist it. Glad you're not taking it to heart. I would hardly label it as an attack on you personally, as a deformation of character, but I'm also not surprised that you commented on it rather than focus on my serious reply to the FT article you posted. As for the cars.. well, if a non essential luxury product costs of few more sheckles as a result of the UK leaving the EU, I can live with that. It's not a certain outcome event anyway, so particular credence should be given to the 'if'. Time will tell on that one. And, if the majority of people can buy a car for its intended purpose, ie, getting from a-b (rather than a status symbol) at a reduced cost because of the brexit decision, then I'm all for that too.
I presume you mean Germany? Who has turned the tables on us in terms of decency and humanity. Oh the irony...
When they are relevant to the subject, feel free. But when losing the logic, just to turn to a thinly veiled dig to change the subject, I would hope you wouldn't. It is not really the attempt at humour that I didn't like. It's the fact that others latch onto it and it escalates. As it has done in various threads.
Decency, humanity? You're barking up the wrong tree there fella. Popularity is the word you meant, is it not? They have indeed turned something, but it's not the table's of one-upmanship that you profess. Rather a u-turn on a policy that was bat-poo-crazy in the first place and one which could cost her the premiership. It's funny how it backfired and now she's scrabbling to keep up with public opinion. Now that's, ironic!
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, Longs. Cheap populism has a lot to answer for. It's what made Cameron offer the referendum in the first place. That is not democracy in action. It's populism. And, by it's very nature, it is cheap and driven by ignorance.
Hmmm just ask the Greek government who they owe most of their bailouts to. (clue, it isn't the EU, but banks in a certain Middle European country,, begins with the letter G. )
Thanks for your conceded reply. I know it must be difficult for you, but I won't make a point of it. Hush..hush! The thing I'm not so happy about is the assumption that the general public, or the 'people' are so degenerately thick that any opinions they hold must've have been implanted into them by an unscrupulous fiend for his own gains alone. 'Populism' has been transformed into an ugly word that carries the same misguided grace as the word 'racist'. Why has the will of the people suddenly become seen as a desecration of democracy?
'Populism' is an ugly political word, Longs, and it isn't democracy. It is an affront to democracy. C'mon, you must know many people who have voted 'Leave'? Seriously now, are they are informed as you are. Or PJ? Or that new cove? Honestly, now, what reasons did most Leavers you know in 'real life' give for them voting that way? I can honestly say that I have not come across a SINGLE Leaver who has spoken with clarity, depth or reason on this issue - and, sadly, the vast majority of those I have spoken to were Leavers. They are not 'stupid' people at all. Most are/were 'professionals'. Many ex-forces. Some ex-businessmen. Some self-employed. Capable, articulate folk. I think most would even be considered 'middle-class', at least in a financial context (decent pensions, shiny new car, regular holidays, etc) But, christ, the 'logic'... The reasons included (I've mentioned some of this before): "Human rights gone too far - that murderer who couldn't be deported because he owned a cat..." "The EU wants to have its own army - so that's enough for me. Hah." "We're giving too much money to the EU - we need that money here." "We've got to look after ourselves first..." "The country is going down the pan - we need to sort it out." These are, indeed, all reasons. But they all fail to make the leap as to WHY leaving the EU would FIX these issues. They had next to no comprehension as to what the EU actually is and what it's done for us. Or what the full consequences of leaving could be. 'Hard' and 'soft' were unheard of terms. They were simply coming from a point of view that the EU was a big thing they treated with innate suspicion that kept on telling us Brits what to do; it was club we had joined and we could leave with no consequences if we wanted to. That's it. It was a simple YES/NO referendum, so it must all be simple, yeah? These comments were from competent and otherwise clever folk. But they had no political 'grasp' other than to be cynical of politics in general, MPs, councils etc. There wasn't a single thick or stupid person amongst that lot that I have spoken to. They are significantly more 'clever' than the average Leaver walking the street or being interviewed on TV (c'mon, Longs - you must cringe when they do a vox-pop on the average street!) By calling many/most Leavers 'ignorant', I mean exactly that - they are truly ignorant of this HUGE issue and its implications.
The American civil rights movement was populist. The diggers were populist. It could easily be said the suffragettes were populist. Union movements, Bevan.... populism ˈpɒpjʊlɪz(ə)m/ noun support for the concerns of ordinary people. "it is clear that your populism identifies with the folks on the bottom of the ladder" the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people. "art museums did not gain bigger audiences through a new populism" Populism is a political doctrine that proposes that the common people are exploited by a privileged elite, and which seeks to resolve this. The underlying ideology of populists can be left, right, or center. Its goal is uniting the uncorrupt and the unsophisticated "little man" against the corrupt dominant elites (usually established politicians) and their camp of followers (usually the rich and influential). It is guided by the belief that political and social goals are best achieved by the direct actions of the masses. What's "ugly" about populism? Unless you belong to the 'elites' How is populism an "affront to democracy"?
The problem with populism is not it of itself..the problem is how it's been made a dirty word, more than likely consciously, by the elites that control the media and have forced the idea that populism=far right down people's throats. To be anti populism is to be anti yer average Joe and pro billionaire oligarch
No Jack, the XF is a completely new design by Tata, who invested billions in Jaguar and in effect, the UK. The X type Jag, which was the first new jag when the company was owned by Ford. My wife has one. It has a 2.0 diesel engine which I believe has the same block as my Transit. The floorpan is Mondeo, the rear suspension is Mondeo Estate, the rest was 'new'. I'll assume from your previous comments to another avatar, you wont deride me over my car ownership.
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