That is real irony. Populism that is being spoken about isnt the populism u mean. Its capitalism, isnt it
Why will fuel cost more? yes, I know it's going up because of production cuts, but the EU, as far as I'm aware are not members of OPEC, so why will leaving the EU increase fuel prices?
I think you know exactly what I mean by current populism, PJ You do you do It has nothing to do with the population rising up and getting their act together to tackle the 'elite' or 'establishment' or those in power like your wonderful examples. Instead it has everything to do with a few 'charismatic' (I beg to differ...) individuals feeding glib 'us versus them' lines and 'populist' chants and blatant lies to a frustrated crowd, giving them exactly what they want to hear - but will never receive. It is a manipulation of ignorance for self-serving reasons. No way on this planet did the VAST majority of Leave voters have an inkling of what they were actually doing - the reality of what is currently taking place. They actually thought it was as easy as voting 'LEAVE' - and suddenly there we'd be - Britain freed from the shackles with no consequences except for a glorious future (just like it 'used' to be... ) It is manipulation - that's why it's an affront to democracy.
Isn't fuel coming down, according to the RAC diesel cheapest its been for months. As for cars costing more, not fact is it, just typical scare mongering as per. Pound is fairly stable at the mo and once the euro starts collapsing it will raise dramacticly.
The word populism has only recently come back into main stream use. Always in connection with far right politics. This is in my view a deliberate ploy. The 'tarring with the same brush' that I mentioned in another thread. And this has no doubt been orchestrated by those with something to lose from a true rise of populist thought. I suppose you could call them capitalists but I don't think it's the true description of what they are personally. We don't live within a capitalist system, if we did the too big to fail banks would have been allowed to fail for example.
Lets take that a little further? We leave the EU we wont get the same terms as we have now, will we? Tariffs. Ok, so we put tariffs on their stuff too? Ok. Result? Dearer
I think it wise to use words according to their definition rather than let them be twisted by elitist oligarchs to suit their agenda
To be fair I actually agree with most of this. Yes, farage, le pen etc aren't populists at all. They've co-opted populist concerns for their own gain. They have indeed manipulated and they've been given the ground to do that by a political class that doesn't represent people and doesn't care about people's concerns. The media has done it's bit in calling them populists... This is part of why I am determined to keep the word populism untainted. Though clearly I'm losing that battle
That is the real point. Those that wanted populism voted for the words thrown out to them. Not for what they really wanted. And 1 of the worse for it ? Farage
DA, I was under no illusion that we'd vote "Leave" and there we would be free of the EU. Even I'm not that gullible to believe it wouldn't take two hard years of negotiation. ... Consequences?? What do you mean? Did you buy the line that the EU was going to hit the UK hard for the simple act of leaving? I bet you believed Osborne with his "Budget of doom n gloom" didn't ya? Fell , hook , line and sinker for "Project Fear" To quote PJ Isn't this what all politicians do though? Didn't the Labour Party offer us the referendum , three general elections ago ? (then failed to deliver the goods?) Cost them dearly in the second last election (and they are still largely unelectable today)
You did. But although you proved it with statistics, you failed to show how the vote had changed geographically. So both facts cant support your theory, sorry
At least he drinks pints of bitter. (not expensive champagne and brandy, like most other politicians)
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