I have been asked, as additional works, to convert a single rose into a row of downlighters. Does this come under Part P? I am a non-sparkie so would appreciate any help Many Thanks
Yep, its part P and theres a raft of BS7671 to follow as well. Bonding, zoning, IP rating if required etc etc. If you know what you are doing then apply to the LBC with about £150. or get a spark for best part of a day for the same money and have them installed properly and other work to comply with the regs. Even if its a full day you wont be paying much more
I would say yes because it will involve wiring ie extending a circuit (minor works cert) will also need to install supplementry bonding. Low voltage work is notifiable especially in a special location
Most definitley does fall under part 'p' and need's to be notified as this is a special location. also make sure correct IP rated lights are used if falling within certain zone's check this out http://www.niceic.org.uk/downloads/Pocket%20Guide%201.pdf
I would say yes because it will involve wiring ie extending a circuit (minor works cert) will also need to install supplementry bonding. Low voltage work is notifiable especially in a special location I'm a bit confused here, since when was LOW VOLTAGE work notifiable. If a low voltage item is installed in a non special location and does not involve adding a new circuit and is not a part p item why do you have to notify please explain
Sorry been a bit generic with terminology there. ELV lighting is notifiable due to increased cable size requirements due to higher currents at 12v etc(classed as special installation)the question related to ELV lighting in a bathroom.
How dim are some of you on this forum. You can not get low voltage ie 12v without going via a transformer, that will be fed at 230v. And where will this transformer be? Oh, above and /or near the LV fitting. Remember no connectors and tape, but use a button junction box.
Your point being what MM ? its still ELV lighting at the light fitting! transformer could be remote it may feed several fittings depending on loads and convenience IT IS NOTIFIABLE!
Fully aware Mr P, of all the rules. Just saying no 12v without 230v, first. Also recommend one transformer per fitting.
Extra-low-voltage is NOT notifiable outside of special locations, PROVIDED that it is a CE-marked kit. NoNuts
Make that 14 with your's, come on b-a-s we've tried to help the guy by explaining that it does fall under part p i myself even gave the bloke guidance on where the zone's fall via the link to the niceic web site, here you go cheltonian use this link here you can find all the info on approved document p seeing as b-a-s wasn't kind enough to give it to you. http://www.odpm.gov.uk/embeddedobject.asp?id=1130910
Please no shrapnel, I'm not a spark and don't do it, but a genuine question on this for my understanding. As I understand, Part-P permits as not-notifiable even in kitchens and bathrooms, the relacement of existing fittings and replacement of existing cable if required due to deterioration/damage etc. So my understanding is that taking out one bathroom rose and putting in a (zone suitable) downlighter fitting is not notifiable. Putting in a series of downlighters would not be considered to be "replacement of an existing fitting" I would guess. Why wouldn't removing a 230V rose and connecting a 12V transformer+ELV fitting be considered as "replacement"? I didn't read Part-P as meaning the replacement had to be identical. This would not require any change to cabling, the existing T+E just supplies the transformer/light combination instead of the rose. Am I being peadantic or simplistic?
If you read document p table 1 look at my last post the link is there, this clearly states that all work within kitchens and bathrooms is notifiable. The heading say's work that is not in a special location or kitchen and consists of replacing light fitting's etc, a bathroom is defined as a special location
Ref IEE Wiring Matters magazine, Spring 2005, Quote "Q:Is the replacement of a light fitting in a bathroom notifiable work? A:No, providing that the light fitting is a like for like replacement.For example if a light fitting was replaced by a number of downlighters this would be classed as alteration work rather than replacement work and would be notifiable." end quote. So quite a clear statement from the IEE I think.
thanks. I agree with Tiff but not masterseal. Table 1 says work that is not notifiable, first section "work cosisting of: Replacing any electrical fitting...... Replacing the cable for a single circuit...." The second section then qualifies other non-notifiable work not in a kitchen or special location. So the first section applies in all locations, as I understand it, including kitchens+bathrooms. I suppose there's some leeway as to what would be considered to be "replacing any electrical fitting including socket-outlets, control switches and ceiling roses" if you're replacing a ceiling rose with a different type of light fitting. A time for common sense I would suggest, one light fitting replacing another I'd suggest would be OK, a series of downlighters would be pushing it a bit. Thanks for the replies anyway.