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I hugged three of my female co-workers today, one old, two young. We trust and like each other and the hug was a gesture of friendship. No problem.


Meant to mention earlier, I felt a bit uneasy with chips terminology when referring the to his Female co workers “one old one and two young ones” he could have been talking about pet mice, or guinea pigs, or anything,

I guess the young ones may not mind, but the “old one” I’m not so sure. Earlier in this thread I referred to a mature lady in our office, by my statement DA seemed to accuse me of suggesting she had lost her youthful looks, this was not the case at all

I will say in Chips defence this was all before b2 sent that amazing flow chart, but I am not convinced he would have used it anyway,

Also this hugging thing in the workplace I don’t consider it very professional, now Chips may be a serial hugger who knows and may treat his male co workers in the same manner, I would see him in a better light if this was the case, and why didn’t he ask before he hugged, as I was advised should be the case if I complimented a lady on how she looked (it’s all there back in the early days of this thread)

So I have had the three musketeers on my case since early on in this thread for much less than what Chips has been upto,

So DA,Jack, what’s your take on the carrying on that Chips has been upto
 
The women are no doubt being sexually provocative, wearing make up, red lip stick and high heels.


Yeah Doc now what you mean, and if Chips is er going a bit short, well you know, I still don’t think that should excuse his behaviour though
 
Wonderful just what I need,

Digressing slightly, a question for you, do you know where you would weigh a pie?

Have a guess and I will tell you later, just checked it’s on google so I’ll tell yer now.

In the old Judy Garland film Wizard of Oz she sings “somewhere over the rainbow way up high” get it, weigh a pie. So the answer is “somewhere over the rainbow” :) oh never mind :(
It's fitting that today is Pi(e) day. It comes 'round quickly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day

I'm a convert to the Tau heresy https://tauday.com/. So we don't really celebrate Pi day anymore.
 
Wonderful just what I need,

Digressing slightly, a question for you, do you know where you would weigh a pie?

Have a guess and I will tell you later, just checked it’s on google so I’ll tell yer now.

In the old Judy Garland film Wizard of Oz she sings “somewhere over the rainbow way up high” get it, weigh a pie. So the answer is “somewhere over the rainbow” :) oh never mind :(
It's all in the timing.
 
Meant to mention earlier, I felt a bit uneasy with chips terminology when referring the to his Female co workers “one old one and two young ones” he could have been talking about pet mice, or guinea pigs, or anything,

I guess the young ones may not mind, but the “old one” I’m not so sure. Earlier in this thread I referred to a mature lady in our office, by my statement DA seemed to accuse me of suggesting she had lost her youthful looks, this was not the case at all

I will say in Chips defence this was all before b2 sent that amazing flow chart, but I am not convinced he would have used it anyway,

Also this hugging thing in the workplace I don’t consider it very professional, now Chips may be a serial hugger who knows and may treat his male co workers in the same manner, I would see him in a better light if this was the case, and why didn’t he ask before he hugged, as I was advised should be the case if I complimented a lady on how she looked (it’s all there back in the early days of this thread)

So I have had the three musketeers on my case since early on in this thread for much less than what Chips has been upto,

So DA,Jack, what’s your take on the carrying on that Chips has been upto
Not entirely sure what your trying to say here so I will take it that you're trying to make an honest point for once.
The "Old one" is 4 years older than me and when my Father died she was the person I went up to for a hug and we now keep up the practice every day.
The two young ones are both in their twenties and because of the trust we have built up secrets and weaknesses were exchanged and we had a little hug.
It's respect and we all have partners and we work in a creative atmosphere where bullying and discrimination isn't allowed, the bosses pay lip service to this but we won't let it happen because we are a team.
 
Not entirely sure what your trying to say here so I will take it that you're trying to make an honest point for once.
The "Old one" is 4 years older than me and when my Father died she was the person I went up to for a hug and we now keep up the practice every day.
The two young ones are both in their twenties and because of the trust we have built up secrets and weaknesses were exchanged and we had a little hug.
It's respect and we all have partners and we work in a creative atmosphere where bullying and discrimination isn't allowed, the bosses pay lip service to this but we won't let it happen because we are a team.


So your not sure what I am I trying to say, the post was a tongue in cheek reference to the PC in the workplace, thought you might have cottoned on when I suggested you may be a serial hugger but that would be fine if you hugged men as well as women.

I have been criticised earlier in this thread for playing jokes and having office banter with a mature lady in the office, the same people thought it right that it may not be advisable to compliment a lady on a new outfit without first asking her if a compliment would be ok, both these contributors are you compatriots and so there was no surprise that no opinion one way or the other was forthcoming about you hugging your female colleagues or the fact that you referred to one of them as an “old one”

Chips there is no one more un PC than myself at times (well perhaps Alan Partridge) and I don’t intend changing anytime soon

I have witnessed in the past men being reported for doing less than what you did with these ladies, but not reported by the recipient who was quite ok with things, but by someone nearby in the office who took offence on their colleagues behalf

At some point in the future should one of these females change her mind about your actions and accuse you of sexual harassment (calm down it won’t happen your not rich enough or famous enough) your Defense statement of “we have built up secrets and weaknesses were exchanged and we had a little hug.
It's respect and we all have partners and we work in a creative atmosphere” your honour, won’t cut the mustard & sounds like something Harvey Weinstein would say,

Don’t you agree all of that last paragraph was absolutely b######s but hey we must remember to be PC at all times

So then to whoever it may concern you can stick your PC where the sun don’t shine, & Chips carry on hugging

Mmmmmm got me thinking “Carry on Hugging” what a great title for a film, now let’s see, if they were alive Kenneth Williams could be DA, Charles Hawtrey would be Jack, Sid James that’s me, and Lets see now we need a ladies man, Mmmmm got it Leslie Philips would play you Chips :)
 
It's getting hard to know when exactly your tongue is stuck in to your cheek these days, Facs.

If you are trying to suggest that there may be some parallels between Chips' and your respective behaviours in the 'office', then I think one question might determine that there ain't; can you imagine Chippie being so presumptuous as to play the same 'prank' as you did, where there was the remotest risk of causing offence or upset; an uninvited 'laff' that was clearly at the expense of the target and no-one else? No, nor can I.

He
ain't gauche. He ain't a 'lad'. He does show consideration to other people every bit as much as he does himself (cough - until they demonstrate that they are undeserving). He ain't trying to get one over anybody else under the umbrella of 'banter' (cough - who doesn't deserve it).

Call that being 'PC' if you like, Facs. I do. That's exactly what it is.

Facs: "I have been criticised earlier in this thread for playing jokes and having office banter with a mature lady in the office, ... no surprise that no opinion one way or the other was forthcoming about you hugging your female colleagues or the fact that you referred to one of them as an “old one”"

I am happy to point out the difference again, Facs, because you are clearly not 'getting it'. I suspect, actually, you do but can't bring yourself to acknowledge it.

You made the point of your lark's target being 'mature' because this was clearly a significant element in the 'laff'; there was simply NO other reason for you to mention this aspect of the lady. Had your 'victim' been young and nubile, then it wouldn't have been 'funny' - would it?

Chippie made the point of the women's ages to indicate that age was an irrelevance; if these are mutually trusting colleagues, then there just isn't an issue*; this is their unspoken understanding.


*One issue is that I, as a bystander, would be jealous.
 
It's getting hard to know when exactly your tongue is stuck in to your cheek these days, Facs.

If you are trying to suggest that there may be some parallels between Chips' and your respective behaviours in the 'office', then I think one question might determine that there ain't; can you imagine Chippie being so presumptuous as to play the same 'prank' as you did, where there was the remotest risk of causing offence or upset; an uninvited 'laff' that was clearly at the expense of the target and no-one else? No, nor can I.

He
ain't gauche. He ain't a 'lad'. He does show consideration to other people every bit as much as he does himself (cough - until they demonstrate that they are undeserving). He ain't trying to get one over anybody else under the umbrella of 'banter' (cough - who doesn't deserve it).

Call that being 'PC' if you like, Facs. I do. That's exactly what it is.

Facs: "I have been criticised earlier in this thread for playing jokes and having office banter with a mature lady in the office, ... no surprise that no opinion one way or the other was forthcoming about you hugging your female colleagues or the fact that you referred to one of them as an “old one”"

I am happy to point out the difference again, Facs, because you are clearly not 'getting it'. I suspect, actually, you do but can't bring yourself to acknowledge it.

You made the point of your lark's target being 'mature' because this was clearly a significant element in the 'laff'; there was simply NO other reason for you to mention this aspect of the lady. Had your 'victim' been young and nubile, then it wouldn't have been 'funny' - would it?

Chippie made the point of the women's ages to indicate that age was an irrelevance; if these are mutually trusting colleagues, then there just isn't an issue*; this is their unspoken understanding.


*One issue is that I, as a bystander, would be jealous.

Bit busy today DA I’ll deal with you later
 
It's getting hard to know when exactly your tongue is stuck in to your cheek these days, Facs.

“Equality, post 362 paragraph 4, I did warn you”

If you are trying to suggest that there may be some parallels between Chips' and your respective behaviours in the 'office', then I think one question might determine that there ain't; can you imagine Chippie being so presumptuous as to play the same 'prank' as you did, where there was the remotest risk of causing offence or upset; an uninvited 'laff' that was clearly at the expense of the target and no-one else? No, nor can I.

“You would have needed to know the lady concerned and been there, as an aside unknown to me prior to my retirement almost 2 years ago she went round with my collection and organised a surprise buffet in the staff restaurant, I get regular funny emails off her about life at the old place and how the office is not the same since I left, ( yes I know the interpretation you will put on that but go ahead that’s one of your strong points “misinterpretation”)”


He
ain't gauche. He ain't a 'lad'. He does show consideration to other people every bit as much as he does himself (cough - until they demonstrate that they are undeserving). He ain't trying to get one over anybody else under the umbrella of 'banter' (cough - who doesn't deserve it).

“Yes I am aware there is an inner circle that decides on who are demonstrably underserving on this forum, and I pity the poor souls found guilty as they then have to suffer the abusive name calling, by the way when’s the next meeting?”


Call that being 'PC' if you like, Facs. I do. That's exactly what it is.

“I’ve already told you where to stick your PC”


Facs: "I have been criticised earlier in this thread for playing jokes and having office banter with a mature lady in the office, ... no surprise that no opinion one way or the other was forthcoming about you hugging your female colleagues or the fact that you referred to one of them as an “old one”"

I am happy to point out the difference again, Facs, because you are clearly not 'getting it'. I suspect, actually, you do but can't bring yourself to acknowledge it.

“So I’m in denial, any chance Then I would be invited to join the Remoaners seeing as I have the required qualification”


You made the point of your lark's target being 'mature' because this was clearly a significant element in the 'laff'; there was simply NO other reason for you to mention this aspect of the lady. Had your 'victim' been young and nubile, then it wouldn't have been 'funny' - would it?

“Oh for young and nubile (need to be careful here Pete may be hovering) thought you’d get me with that one didn’t ya, remind me what was your ban for, and thinking about it, if young and nubile it would have been more fun, unfortunately there was only old gals in the office (sorry for pinching your line there Chips)”


Chippie made the point of the women's ages to indicate that age was an irrelevance; if these are mutually trusting colleagues, then there just isn't an issue*; this is their unspoken understanding.

“unspoken understanding”I really am impressed with you long distance psychological assessment, it’s probably some kind of Vulcan mind meld or witchcraft, na probably Chips messaged you with that B S”



Anyway all of this is an irrelevance and no point taking it further it will just be like the political stuff there will be no end,

The dragon and myself visited an old friend this morning who is in a nursing home she is 60 and has advanced dementia, we may as well have not been there, it as only 4 years ago that we would all go away 2 or 3 times a year & have fun, get things into perspective guys & gals life’s too short




*One issue is that I, as a bystander, would be jealous.
 

"Equality post #362 para 4". That's too much searching, sorry. (Ie - it took me 2 minutes to find post 362 on this thread only to discover it was by RS - shock and disappointment.)

By all accounts (ie the only one account we have) this mature lady has forgiven you/ was not offended in the first place. That's good - I'm pleased. That doesn't diminish the presumptuousness of your laddish lark, or that it had the typical 'banter' element of being delivered at someone else's expense, and not yours.

I'll let others make their own judgement on that.

As for the references to ages, you simply assert that had the target of your lark been 'young and nubile' instead, it would have been more funny? That simply does not make sense; you are suggesting that the 'dating agency' would have recommended she remove her y&n photo to gain more responses?! Lol - that's a cracker to be sure. I think you are trying to kid us on.

And why mention that she was somewhat 'mature' at all - what was the relevance (apart from the obvious)?! I think you are trying to kid us on.

Others will make their judgement of that too.

I'm speculating that Chips made his reference to ages for only one reason - the only reason that makes sense to me ("Chippie made the point of the women's ages to indicate that age was an irrelevance...")

You poo-poo this, but you cannot come up with an alternative reason either.

I think you are trying to kid us on. That's a lot of attempted kidding.

Others will make their judgement on that too.
 
"Equality post #362 para 4". That's too much searching, sorry. (Ie - it took me 2 minutes to find post 362 on this thread only to discover it was by RS - shock and disappointment.)

By all accounts (ie the only one account we have) this mature lady has forgiven you/ was not offended in the first place. That's good - I'm pleased. That doesn't diminish the presumptuousness of your laddish lark, or that it had the typical 'banter' element of being delivered at someone else's expense, and not yours.

I'll let others make their own judgement on that.

As for the references to ages, you simply assert that had the target of your lark been 'young and nubile' instead, it would have been more funny? That simply does not make sense; you are suggesting that the 'dating agency' would have recommended she remove her y&n photo to gain more responses?! Lol - that's a cracker to be sure. I think you are trying to kid us on.

And why mention that she was somewhat 'mature' at all - what was the relevance (apart from the obvious)?! I think you are trying to kid us on.

Others will make their judgement of that too.

I'm speculating that Chips made his reference to ages for only one reason - the only reason that makes sense to me ("Chippie made the point of the women's ages to indicate that age was an irrelevance...")

You poo-poo this, but you cannot come up with an alternative reason either.

I think you are trying to kid us on. That's a lot of attempted kidding.

Others will make their judgement on that too.


By now, others may have stopped caring....... :confused: :)
 
Your analytical mind never ceases to amaze me, I’m off to dog training ( seem to get a bit more sense from our canine pals) sort it all yourselves :p

Others will make their judgement on that too...
 
So your not sure what I am I trying to say, the post was a tongue in cheek reference to the PC in the workplace, thought you might have cottoned on when I suggested you may be a serial hugger but that would be fine if you hugged men as well as women.

I have been criticised earlier in this thread for playing jokes and having office banter with a mature lady in the office, the same people thought it right that it may not be advisable to compliment a lady on a new outfit without first asking her if a compliment would be ok, both these contributors are you compatriots and so there was no surprise that no opinion one way or the other was forthcoming about you hugging your female colleagues or the fact that you referred to one of them as an “old one”

Chips there is no one more un PC than myself at times (well perhaps Alan Partridge) and I don’t intend changing anytime soon

I have witnessed in the past men being reported for doing less than what you did with these ladies, but not reported by the recipient who was quite ok with things, but by someone nearby in the office who took offence on their colleagues behalf

At some point in the future should one of these females change her mind about your actions and accuse you of sexual harassment (calm down it won’t happen your not rich enough or famous enough) your Defense statement of “we have built up secrets and weaknesses were exchanged and we had a little hug.
It's respect and we all have partners and we work in a creative atmosphere” your honour, won’t cut the mustard & sounds like something Harvey Weinstein would say,

Don’t you agree all of that last paragraph was absolutely b######s but hey we must remember to be PC at all times

So then to whoever it may concern you can stick your PC where the sun don’t shine, & Chips carry on hugging

Mmmmmm got me thinking “Carry on Hugging” what a great title for a film, now let’s see, if they were alive Kenneth Williams could be DA, Charles Hawtrey would be Jack, Sid James that’s me, and Lets see now we need a ladies man, Mmmmm got it Leslie Philips would play you Chips :)
I do hug men as well, not all of them, only the ones I like.
I'm not very pc amongst friends but when dealing with people in a professional capacity or simply amongst people I don't know too well I try not to offend them.
I call this politeness.
If I don't trust someone I play it straight.
I have no power or influence over anybody at work and it is abuse of those that is the problem.
 
I do hug men as well, not all of them, only the ones I like.
I'm not very pc amongst friends but when dealing with people in a professional capacity or simply amongst people I don't know too well I try not to offend them.
I call this politeness.
If I don't trust someone I play it straight.
That's the norm, chipps.
You will not receive a medal.
I have no power or influence over anybody at work and it is abuse of those that is the problem.
Errrr.....
Can you rephrase that so it makes sense?
 
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