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JOMEL

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Hi Guys
Sorry to be a bore on this
But last night I watched a program on Homeless folks with Prince William
Good for him.
And I feel for these Homeless I really do.
But the future projects so called for the the less well off still seem to be semis with
gardens and good views. They still seem to be a lots of £s unaffordable by the usual homeless.
I was brought up in miners streets not semis. Back yard tin bath hung on the wall.
I am not suggesting that returns of course.
But if I had no place to live a prefab in a street would still seem a palace.
Are we not wanting LOTS of places rather than a few with all the trimmings.
Today a prefab could be well well built in a flat pack surely all fixing it the walls ready to finalise.
1 or 2 bedrooms and the usually needed kitchen living room Shower room.
That must be a bargain in comparison to a full semi £ wise, and house lots more.
I just feel get them inside first.
And at least you will get to know your neighbour like in the old days.
I saw the prefabs erected at the end of WW2, They were a godsend and here in
Newcastle there are still i few standing
Just in case Prince William reads this well done Sir and a cup of tea awaits your visit.
Maybe talk with the tradesmen not just the suits for ideas.
They know the deal.

JOMEL
 
JOMEL said:
Hi Guys
Sorry to be a bore on this
But last night I watched a program on Homeless folks with Prince William
Good for him.
And I feel for these Homeless I really do.
But the future projects so called for the the less well off still seem to be semis with
gardens and good views. They still seem to be a lots of £s unaffordable by the usual homeless.
I was brought up in miners streets not semis. Back yard tin bath hung on the wall.
I am not suggesting that returns of course.
But if I had no place to live a prefab in a street would still seem a palace.
Are we not wanting LOTS of places rather than a few with all the trimmings.
Today a prefab could be well well built in a flat pack surely all fixing it the walls ready to finalise.
1 or 2 bedrooms and the usually needed kitchen living room Shower room.
That must be a bargain in comparison to a full semi £ wise, and house lots more.
I just feel get them inside first.
And at least you will get to know your neighbour like in the old days.
I saw the prefabs erected at the end of WW2, They were a godsend and here in
Newcastle there are still i few standing
Just in case Prince William reads this well done Sir and a cup of tea awaits your visit.
Maybe talk with the tradesmen not just the suits for ideas.
They know the deal.

JOMEL
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Problem ain’t the houses themselves but the land, location, and services associated with them.
Sure we could knock up a few hundred prefabs in a field somewhere but then what?

Transit, jobs, doctor’s, schools…. Government and companies are obsessed with building houses and not communities.
It’s easier to hit targets and make profits. Fundamentally the whole system is a mess, you have council and builders smashing up these blocks and then overwhelming local services, but who cares? The former hit some arbitrary target and the big builder made a profit.

We’ve come to the point where there literally is no solution, previous governments and private corporations have broken the fundamental systems (community cohesion, NHS, parts of the local civil service) that have kept things ticking along.
Objectively this can’t continue, something will give, little people like you and I just have to avoid getting caught in the churn.

I mean it’s come to a point where we’re listening to a rich guy on benefits who’s won the ultimate genetic lottery and inherited all his wealth and societal status on how to solve the homeless crisis, it’s like the plot to some dystopian film.
 
Hi Painter
Yes I understand about services.
But that does not change from semis to prefabs.
Schools Doctors well they are short now as it is.
Yes releasing land is no doubt a problem.
Question 1 is it better lots of prefabs in streets rather the fewer semis
But to some extent does it not start with get them inside first.
Does not a lot of land belong to the Crown ? Act of Parliament.
Lets give a lot away to show a start LOL,
Some where can we not just get a fair deal for the poorer guy.
Lots have worked all there lives and cant afford as it is,
There must be some kind of answer
I am not saying I know the answer its not my skill.
But lots seem to talk about it and get no where is it in fact there skill.
Ok who in this place deals with prefabs or the like what the price to finalise one.
But Painter thanks for the first comment,

Take care

JOMEL
 
JOMEL said:
But last night I watched a program on Homeless folks with Prince William
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Another pet project by Billy Dolittle to try and gain PR brownie points. People behind the scenes do all the work and Billy turns up now and again for PR with a word salad speech written for him.
The Duchy are building some houses, 24 in Cornwall and a couple of thousand in kent, not to help the homeless as stated, but to boost the coffers of the Duchy. The homeless stint being used as an excuse to make more money.

The hypocrite also has another PR jolly thought up for him, the earthshot thing. What an absolute joke. He uses helicopters and jets more than people use cars and buses for work and keeps four massive houses that we know of heated and cooled, thanks to the taxpayer.

We are getting robbed blind and the sycophantic press happily print the PR lies spun by the royals.
 
near me in the city centre there was a nice local boozer, got bought by some company then rather quickly was condemned and knocked down.
They applied to put 20 or so shipping container homes, multi storey. They sold the idea to the council as homes for homeless and got granted the zoning change. Then when it happened they set the rent at £750 each, this was a decade ago so that was the same as a top end one bed at the time (equivalent to 1500 today).. they said by homeless they meant recently divorced working men and the like, not actual street homeless
I’m betting the next move will be to get planning to put a high rise there seeing as they can prove the infrastructure is already there for that many occupants already.. I’m also sure when they apply for it they will say it’s affordable housing and when it’s built they will start at 400k for a one bed shoebox just like all the rest

So like painters said it’s about money, land and status quo. Land is a premium and those that can afford to buy large plots want to maximise returns.

Mortgage rates are crazy high, so private rent has to be sky high and a lot of people can’t afford to rent let alone buy. Getting a few prefabs up would be good but probably a drop in the ocean, but might be good as a multi pronged attack that also sought to bring down interest rates, reduce the half million or so long term empty homes in the uk and providing better mental health care, as there’s a lot of homeless that can’t even sign on let alone hold down a job
 
Resmond said:
near me in the city centre there was a nice local boozer, got bought by some company then rather quickly was condemned and knocked down.
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Destruction of community cohesion

Resmond said:
They sold the idea to the council as homes
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Targets over solving problems

Resmond said:
Then when it happened they set the rent at £750 each
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A public good becomes a vehicle for profit

Fundamentally it’s all a bin fire.
 
I do see the problem, the government does not want people living in squalor, so they pass laws to force landlords to maintain houses to a set standard, but this standard does not include mobile homes, so there is a far better return to build a mobile home park than to renovate houses.

At the end of the day, we have to remember if someone invests £200,000 they can be depending on the risk expect to get at least 5%, maybe more, so that's £800 a month with very little work or risk, so if renting a house they want far more than that.

When I started to buy my first house, we got a council fixed rate mortgage of 14% we had to live counting every penny, could not even buy a Mars bar. But at that time council houses were heavily subsidised, and private rented houses were hard to find, and were often two up, two down, built origanally with no bathroom, very steep stairs, and the out houses were often converted to bathrooms, the backs still had the hatches for the muck carts to empty the toilets, and the gas fittings for lights still on the wall.

They were about the same floor area as the modern mobile home, so which is the best option?
 
I have some sympathy, born into the straight jacket of 'position' and forced to live with historical and present inequality, all the trappings but a slave to the media, trained not to cause a fuss, marry within the parameters, forced to pretend a belief in god, and maintain the pretense that inequality is nothing to do with structures like the one he stands for.
 
Hi All.
Yes I suppose I am asking to much
Just a Prefab of some kind I thought was more in line with my own thoughts.
Like lots of others here "i did not have a silver spoon back ground"
On a personal note
What does come to mind is
My first flat ( built circa 1910) after married 1959 was £1.25 shillings we though it was a right rip off lol
Cold water loo outside, £5.00 a month
Change of jobs to NHS helped me find a proper house £5,00 a week. Back to egg and chips.,
I saw some new Bungalows being built 2 bed all cons £2760 . My mortgage was £20 a month
we borrowed the deposit of £160.00 from the builders agent.
Now I was earning £1000 per year.
If I took 3 years earnings it would bought to buy it outright if i had no other expenses
It would take a hell of a salary to buy a home outright now in the same period
So yes it seems it is money orientated as is the general consensus .
Its a bit like the recent chat on Stopping the boats ,
There seems no real answer.,
Maybe some day.,
Nice to have other opinion's though.

JOMEL
 
Just watched the channel 4 documentary. What a pair of hypocrite parasites they are, profiting to that degree from land that was stolen years ago. It seems they also practice Rachmanism towards the tenants.
 
arrow said:
Hypocrisy and greed at it's finest.
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It's just private enterprise, if he didn't own the land someone else would, and they would rent it just the same, and both would argue they pay tax that supports the economy.
 
arrow said:
He does not own the land, it was stolen. It belongs to the state and he is allowed to freeload off it. Time it was taken back.
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If you mean he stole it from Edward III in 1337 then there are quite a lot of things the UK stole.
 
Alan22 said:
If you mean he stole it from Edward III in 1337
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It was stolen from the people, all the kings and queens over the ages were thugs with the biggest gang, who just took what they wanted. After it was taken it was sometimes given away to those that abetted them in the plunder.
 
arrow said:
It was stolen from the people, all the kings and queens over the ages were thugs with the biggest gang, who just took what they wanted. After it was taken it was sometimes given away to those that abetted them in the plunder.
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Well yes, we are talking of a time when the monarchy owned the state, it's hardly theft if you already owned it, and yes, they gave bits of of it out to those that were loyal, made them lords and nobles, and rich, but that was then and it was quite normal, I don't see the point in talking as if we can turn the clock back, we can't, we live with the legacy, a very British one of landed gentry and poor people because unlike most modernising states we didn't have a revolution.
 
Alan22 said:
Well yes, we are talking of a time when the monarchy owned the state, it's hardly theft if you already owned it,
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They did not own it, they took it. It is time something is done about it, we have an elected head of state and all the land and property is put to use for the country, not some unelected hypocrite freeloader and his freeloading family. It costs over half a billion to keep them. Ireland's elected president is about 5 million.
 
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