Proposed works to flat from freeholder

Discussion in 'Other Trades Talk' started by Jitender, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    Received a letter from the council who are the freeholders for my flat, the flat is in a block of 5, with the rest of the 4 being owned by the council. I am only the leaseholder for the flat.

    The letter sates a notice for proposal works to the door entry system, and they wish to provide a 'new door entry fob control system', and include the installation for a fire switch.

    The letter states the reason necessary to carry out works:
    • improve security to block
    • Allow access to the block in an emergency.
    They say they have received competitive prices for the works and appointed a contractor for it.

    I am asked to contribute 1/5th of the work, which is about £400. Actual figure is an estimate.

    My personal view, is that the the block is safe already, there is a key operated magnetic latch at the front door, and a trades button allows access for postman etc during certain times.

    Not sure what to do. There are some tenants on the the two flats who are always getting in trouble with the police, and a lady opposite has her door kicked in regularly by the tenant, she apparently collapses then they person brakes the door down, lost count of number of times, but is costing tax payers money every time they replace the door at something like £250 a time. Will ask around other blocks to see if they are doing this for all block, and not just mine.

    I once came back from an afternoon out last year, to find glass shattered all over the floor, and the tenant said he had done it and he had just been released from prison. I later rand the council the following week to let them know that the tenant had broken the glass on the large common window, they said that they had reported someone had broken in. So tenant was making up story.

    Getting back to the reason they give for having the work done, it seems there is a fire switch located above the main common doors, don't these allow the fire brigade to access in the event of fire? so not sure why they are saying they need to fin another?

    Mind is in two places as to just pay or argue. Don't see how a fob system is going to provide better security than key system?

    Did try to sell the flat last year, but people were put off from 2x broken door, boarded up. etc. had some viewings and only one offer which was well below asking price.

    Who's want to live next to this?

  2. dobbie

    dobbie Well-Known Member

    Are they planning an entry system with a handset in each flat, where you talk to the person at the main door and press a button for the lock release.Or are they just fitting a new maglock and fob reader to the main door.

    The fireman's switch is just a dropkey to release the maglock.
  3. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    There is already an intercom system which was probably installed when flats were built. It allows you to talk to the visitor, and there is a button to 'unlock'.

    Sometimes I just switch it off a get other people ringing my flat to let them in, they can't be bothered to use their own key.

    I'm sure i saw a fire switch above the door, with a key, but will have to look again.
  4. Dr Bodgit

    Dr Bodgit Well-Known Member

    On the one hand it seems fair enough. However, if the other 4 flats are owned by the Council then the council may need to have this work done in order to be serve the tenants for who the council is responsible for their health/safety etc. In this case, I don't see why you should pay as the work does not benefit you.
  5. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    One of negatives of living in the flat is they can ask you to contribute towards the costing of any jobs for the flat, under terms of lease. I do have a right to debate the reasons etc.

    They have split the total of the job into 5 flats. And i would pay the amount over the course of the next financial year in 'service/maintenance charges, so will be a lot higher than I pay ever quarterly.

    This is the first time they have sent out asking for money, in 6 years since owning the flat.

    Don't mind paying the £400, but don't see any benefit from it, key is working fine and there have been no break ins, except form the people who are in the building, all are alcoholics and druggies.
  6. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    I will ask a person who lives in another block to see if they will be doing the same their, and that it isn't just my block they are picking.
  7. Dr Bodgit

    Dr Bodgit Well-Known Member

    I would say you certainly have cause to challenge the reason as to why the work needs to be done and hence why you should contribute.
  8. dobbie

    dobbie Well-Known Member

    The council will always try and get as much as they can from the owners to save themselves money.
    Two grand if the council are telling the truth seems a lot for a key reader and maglock when all the wiring is there.
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  9. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    Will need to find out a few things from them, their is a 30 day consultation period.

    What happens if the system is faulty?

    How many fobs will I be given? and cost of replacement fob?

    They say they have received competitive quotes, but could I ask to view them.

    Unfortunately I am the only leaseholder in the flat so no one else will be bothered.

    Maybe they are trying to tighten up 'safety' after the Grenfell Tower disaster.
  10. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    Check the front and there is already a fire switch.

    The door is very tough and has 2 x magnetic locks.

    I have sent the council to give clarification as to the reasons to fir a fire switch, since there is already one plus evidence to show where any security has been breached to the flat with the current arrangement.

    After all it is my money so I have aright to know the reasoning behind it.
  11. Pollowick

    Pollowick Well-Known Member

    Also ask them for full copies of the specification they sent out and the quotes received. You need full proof that value for money is sought and that you are only being asked to contribute an appropriately apportioned amount.
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  12. Jitender

    Jitender Well-Known Member

    This is the picture of the fire switch.



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