RAMS

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by Mihai Muntean, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. Mihai Muntean

    Mihai Muntean New Member

    Hi, was anyone requested RAMS to renovate a flat please?
     
  2. Jord86

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  3. Mihai Muntean

    Mihai Muntean New Member

    First time for me too. The freeholders consent to renovate the flat if we use a qualified electrician, a gas safe engineer, have 5 mil public liability Insurance, have drawings, have RAMS and few other minor things.
     
  4. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    I used to require them from all contractors coming to our factory and if they weren't satisfactory they had to change them until they were. Once on site they were regularly monitored to ensure they were following them and working safely.

    If they submitted generic ones they were told "Try again with specific to this job"
     
  5. kitfit1

    kitfit1 Screwfix Select

    RAMS isn't required unless you have more than 5 employees or subcontractors. Are you intending to use more than 5 employees/subcontractors @Mihai Muntean ?
    Of course the freeholder is only going to allow the renovation to happen under their terms. You're just going to have to bite the bullet and do as specified.
     
  6. Mihai Muntean

    Mihai Muntean New Member

    They're difficult to get to ordinary builders and whilst i think it's fair for the owner to request one (if they want to pay a larger, specialised company), this is actually requested by the freeholders.
    Anyway, I'm kinda stuck as i don't know how to make one.
    It's only me, a labourer, a gas man and an electrician. I agree i need to comply but i still don't know how to write one or where to source it.
    I've got everything else, it's just the RAMS missing.
     
  7. mike4369

    mike4369 Active Member

  8. kitfit1

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  9. adgjl

    adgjl Screwfix Select

    I would like to see you explain that to the Health & Safety Executive. You don’t need to apply for CDM regulations registration (depending on number of people and timeframe), but writing a method statement / risk assessment would be required for most commercial jobs.
     
  10. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Don't pay for templates, free ones here with examples and guidance.

    https://www.hse.gov.uk/simple-health-safety/risk/risk-assessment-template-and-examples.htm

    Basically the risk assessment highlights the potential hazards and risks then how you are going to control them.The Method statement is a step by step guide of haow you will carry out each task.
     
  11. Bazza-spark

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  12. kitfit1

    kitfit1 Screwfix Select

    No, it isn't required for most commercial jobs. If that was the case, most small builders in the UK are breaking the law. I bet there is virtually no one on this forum that has actually needed to or even has done a RAMS.
    Are you saying that an extention on a 1930's semi requires a RAMS ? Because if you are your talking rubbish. The OP want's to do flat refurb, the only reason he/she is asking is because without a RAMS the leaseholder will not grant permission for the work to be done.
     
  13. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    I have had to produce many when working on site. Also had to approve many for contractors coming to our site.
     
  14. adgjl

    adgjl Screwfix Select

    It is not law, but often a requirement of the company requiring the work to demonstrate firstly that the contractor understands what they are doing and has thought about it, and secondly to discharge their duties under the Health & Safety at Work etc. Act. I work in the Electricity Supply Industry, and in my experience a contractor turning up without a suitable RAMS will be asked to leave site. I would normally expect the RAMS to arrive a week or so before the work starts, for approval.
     
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  15. Mr Rusty

    Mr Rusty Screwfix Select

    I'm assuming the RAMS are to be presented to the freeholder ahead of work? Writing RAMS is not rocket science. It's just a list of things that might go wrong (the risk assessment bit) One way is to write a list and have two sets of check boxes - how likely is it the event will happen that presents the risk - low medium- high and if it does happen how hazardous is it low-med-high. Then you write a method statement for each risky operation to avoid it happening.
     
  16. Mihai Muntean

    Mihai Muntean New Member

    I've even asked larger builders, that built blocks of flats about rams and said they have some for the excavations, foundations and that's about it. This is a self refurbishment, were i'm the builder and also the homeowner and the last thing i would want is to have the skills, have the tools, have the property and give the job to a large company for refurb because of a document
     
  17. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    To be honest, you could have written them by now. It's no big problem.
     
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