Shamima Begum

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longboat said:
She -willingly- fled a civilised safe haven to marry a death cult barbarian in the middle of a war zone. All three of her 'supposed' offspring have perished under such conditions and all she can spew forth is "I don't regret it".
What a wonderful mother.
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Supposed?
 
And now we have both members of the tiny minority out in defiance of common sense.

That's Corby supporter for ya.
 
And also the "willingly" aspect of her travel to Syria.

Seeing as she was groomed as a child to travel, presumably the same standard would apply to the victims of Rotherham etc.

They were groomed, she was groomed.

The true criminals are those who persuaded her.
 
chippie244 said:
Supposed?
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Yes. Supposed.
I can't imagine a death cult having an accurate (or even inaccurate) record keeping system, can you?
Was her 'supposed' latest child even hers?
Did she give birth to two others before it?
Who knows.
You can bet your last dollar that she was well aware that many a western, benevolance seeking cuck would undoubtedly believe, and indeed champion anything she could come up with.
 
The death of any child is a very sad occurrence, it happens too often. This mother has taken part in an experiment to create a 'Brave New world' of Islam, her comrades and her are now reaping the benefits of their endeavours. Chippie's concern for the children is well founded and real, I share his concern, but this is still an active war zone, making the arrangements to get the children out from what is an IS controlled camp would take many months, too long for this poor mite. Even though the camp is 'run' by others, inside the camp IS and the law of terror will prevail. How is a 'Western Devil' supposed to enter this den of troubles and remove the correct child, and then if it could be done, what about the others.
Javid is a right wing zealot, trying to be the next leader of the Conservatives, he addresses the 1932 Committee and the right of the party for their support, not a very moral stance to take.
 
shes 15
in are day shes a kid
age will be taken into account in the court fair trial
however once one person wins the flood gate type case and all will take advantage if allowed to stay so even if it judged to let her in so to say she want
law is a crazy thing
 
Beeero said:
Was abandoned? Child was with its mother
She had every opportunity to hand the baby over to be returned to the uk
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Really?

So the route you are going down is that it is a parents responsibility to hand over their child in order to protect it from harm.

How does that work in say child abuse cases? Are the police or social services going to wait until the parents decide to hand them over?

Do you think that the UK government has no obligation to assist in protecting a 3 week old British citizen.

The British government should have moved heaven and earth to get that baby out of there, and deal with his mother at a later date.
 
Bob Rathbone said:
The death of any child is a very sad occurrence, it happens too often. This mother has taken part in an experiment to create a 'Brave New world' of Islam, her comrades and her are now reaping the benefits of their endeavours. Chippie's concern for the children is well founded and real, I share his concern, but this is still an active war zone, making the arrangements to get the children out from what is an IS controlled camp would take many months, too long for this poor mite. Even though the camp is 'run' by others, inside the camp IS and the law of terror will prevail. How is a 'Western Devil' supposed to enter this den of troubles and remove the correct child, and then if it could be done, what about the others.
Javid is a right wing zealot, trying to be the next leader of the Conservatives, he addresses the 1932 Committee and the right of the party for their support, not a very moral stance to take.
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I don't think it is an IS controlled camp at all. I think its the opposite in fact.

My understanding is that many other countries have repatriated people from there and are still doing it. Indeed the UK has and still is.

Javid absolutely is grandstanding on this issue. He is preaching to the converted, people like those contributing to this thread who for example are denying the existence of or parenthood of the baby to suit their narrative.

He has misjudged it completely.

Regardless of what Shamima Begum has said or done, the baby was entirely innocent. The UK government had a responsibility to do whatever it could to try to protect that baby. Instead to boost his PR Sajid Javid did the exact opposite. I hope that haunts him forever.

The death of this child is a recruiting sergeant for IS 2.0. Had the UK government done the right thing it would have been the exact opposite.

Protect the baby and deal with Shamima Begum later. Instead Javid dealt with her (almost certainly illegally) and discarded the baby as collaterall damage.
 
And the other side of the coin is it may make future British citizens joining Jihadi’s think twice, bit like the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, it saved many more lives than it took
 
goldenboy said:
I don't think it is an IS controlled camp at all. I think its the opposite in fact.

My understanding is that many other countries have repatriated people from there and are still doing it. Indeed the UK has and still is.

Javid absolutely is grandstanding on this issue. He is preaching to the converted, people like those contributing to this thread who for example are denying the existence of or parenthood of the baby to suit their narrative.

He has misjudged it completely.

Regardless of what Shamima Begum has said or done, the baby was entirely innocent. The UK government had a responsibility to do whatever it could to try to protect that baby. Instead to boost his PR Sajid Javid did the exact opposite. I hope that haunts him forever.

The death of this child is a recruiting sergeant for IS 2.0. Had the UK government done the right thing it would have been the exact opposite.

Protect the baby and deal with Shamima Begum later. Instead Javid dealt with her (almost certainly illegally) and discarded the baby as collaterall damage.
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Unfortunately we are at war and these things happen
 
I'm no fan of Sajid Javid but it's hardly his fault that tragically the little one has died.
In practical and logistical terms how was he supposed to get a pregnant (full term) woman out of the camp and back to safety for the baby's sake? Similarly how was the baby alone going to be 'evacuated' from the camp during his too short 3 week life? He must have contracted the pneumonia soon after birth and no intervention could realistically have changed the sad sad outcome for the child.
I am very sad that an innocent child has died but these tragedies happen but we can't always justifiably apportion blame to a single individual or organisation. It might make us feel we are doing the right thing or make us feel better that we have vented our anger in a chosen direction even if it's not justified. It won't change anything sadly.
 
RolandK said:
I'm no fan of Sajid Javid but it's hardly his fault that tragically the little one has died.
In practical and logistical terms how was he supposed to get a pregnant (full term) woman out of the camp and back to safety for the baby's sake? Similarly how was the baby alone going to be 'evacuated' from the camp during his too short 3 week life? He must have contracted the pneumonia soon after birth and no intervention could realistically have changed the sad sad outcome for the child.
I am very sad that an innocent child has died but these tragedies happen but we can't always justifiably apportion blame to a single individual or organisation. It might make us feel we are doing the right thing or make us feel better that we have vented our anger in a chosen direction even if it's not justified. It won't change anything sadly.
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He did the opposite of help.
 
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