Should the UK remain as a member of the EU?

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Should the UK remain as a member of the EU?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 28.1%

  • No

    Votes: 83 68.6%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • I don't vote

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Total voters
    121
Phil the Paver said:
There is only one reason, she and others don't want us to leave, that reason is,nif we leave, Europe as a nation will collapse, simply because other counties will want out aswell, thats fact not fiction.
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What's wrong with Europe collapsing as a nation? I mean, you reckon it'll be brill for Britain, so why not for the other countries?

I'll tell you summat - if it is good for Britain, it'll be a lot better for Germany to go it alone too. And yet Merkel doesn't want that. I wonder why?

Some really decent and honourable people do see the bigger picture - the greater good. For us all.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Phil, if you want to use Boris as an indicator of your political leanings, that's fine. It's clear where you stand.

The guy will do anything for power and influence. He wants the top spot. I'm guessing he's prepared to take the gamble that by going against Cameron he'll stand a better chance.

The guy is utterly dishonest. And people like him 'cos he 'says things as they are...". Like all other purveyors of glib catchphrases such as Farage.

How deep does your gullibility go? You like Boris? Trust what he says? Ok, let's dig further - Farage; you reckon he speaks the truth? Hmmm. Ok, let me try Trump - you have a guilty fondness for his bluntness too, I reckon...
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Actually i can't stand Boris, never have, never will, doesn't alter the fact he thinks we'll be better out, where as he'd better better off in, so how do you think he will gain???, answer with facts not insults.
 
Phil the Paver said:
In real terms they count for sweet FA now.
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I always had you as a bit of a cynic, Phil.

Unfortunately, blunt cynicism counts for little. Some people think that having a loud cynical view makes them insightful - "Fnurr - you may be fooled, but they ain't pulling the wool over my eyes, fnurr fnurr..."

That just ain't so, Phil.

And saying things like "that's fact not fiction..." adds even less to your opinions.
 
Devil's Advocate said:
What's wrong with Europe collapsing as a nation? I mean, you reckon it'll be brill for Britain, so why not for the other countries?

I'll tell you summat - if it is good for Britain, it'll be a lot better for Germany to go it alone too. And yet Merkel doesn't want that. I wonder why?

Some really decent and honourable people do see the bigger picture - the greater good. For us all.
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If its good for Germany so be it, i couldn't care less weather it is or not, but if its good for Britain. Yeah bring it on.
 
joinerjohn1 said:
What else is there to read DA? She cast aside her own countries flag as if it were a child's toy. Have a close look at her face as she takes the German flag.. Is that the face of someone proud of their country? I think not. She even shakes her head as if to say,, "No way."
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For gawd's sakes, JJ - really?

I mean, really?

You cannot think of any other reason?

That's the first time I've seen that clip, but I can come up with more likely cause - since by all accounts she is a decent person.

I'm guessing it was because it wasn't appropriate. It smacked of jingoism - smugness. Possibly she had negotiated the terms with Greece, for example - she had to put that twit in his place. So it wouldn't have been appropriate to be seen as gloating.

Could that possibly be it?

And that's the trouble with Farage - and his sheep. Far too ready to believe what ain't there...
 
Devil's Advocate said:
I always had you as a bit of a cynic, Phil.

Unfortunately, blunt cynicism counts for little. Some people think that having a loud cynical view makes them insightful - "Fnurr - you may be fooled, but they ain't pulling the wool over my eyes, fnurr fnurr..."

That just ain't so, Phil.

And saying things like "that's fact not fiction..." adds even less to your opinions.
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Ok, you live in your world of fiction and I'll suffer in my world of fact, that is until June 23rd,when hopefully we'll be free from the clutches of Europe and its even sinking ship.
 
Tell ya what DA, You give me £100 a week,,, I'll give you back £45... I'll distribute at least £30 of that to the needy (in the hope they'll spend it wisely) Sounds fair?? This is exactly what the EU is about,, SO where did that extra £25 in the equation go??? I dunno, that's probably why the EU books have never been signed off. :p:p:p:p:p
 
Anyway, off to bed up at 5.30 to earn another house for an immigrant.
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Tell ya what DA, You give me £100 a week,,, I'll give you back £45... I'll distribute at least £30 of that to the needy (in the hope they'll spend it wisely) Sounds fair?? This is exactly what the EU is about,, SO where did that extra £25 in the equation go??? I dunno, that's probably why the EU books have never been signed off. :p:p:p:p:p
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You probably do think it's all that simple.
 
The eu was set up originally to make trading an easier task.
Then they went and enacted the small print. Been all downhill since then.
The referendum would never have came about if they had chust stuck to the original plan.

The outcome needs to end up with a brexit. Whether its good or bad for the UK. Chust to prove that conniving politicians cannot ride roughshod
over the people.
 
[QUOTE="Devil's Advocate,

I'll tell you summat - if it is good for Britain, it'll be a lot better for Germany to go it alone too. And yet Merkel doesn't want that. I wonder why?
Some really decent and honourable people do see the bigger picture - the greater good. For us all.[/QUOTE]

So the greater good for us all was to invite uncontrolled migration to Europe, that was really honourable and well thought out ignoring asylum rules on registering in the first safe country and putting the whole of Europe in a mess what a star
 
Phil the Paver said:
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Fnurr, fnurr, Phil - well done for finding another cynical poster.

Between you and JJ (who is just as happy to interpret a video clip of Merkel the way Farage wants him to - and who cannot for the life of him think of any alternative meaning :rolleyes: ), you sum up what I do consider to be the pathetic side of British people.

Insular (Wha's like us!). Ungrateful. Whining.

If you truly believe what that poster infers, then I honestly think you are a pitiful person.

Enjoy your dream of standing at Dover shaking your fist over the water. Enjoy your little England.

Britain has no spine? Britain doesn't count?

Tell that to the Balkans. Tell it to Sierra Leone. Tell it to the Ukraine. Tell it to the Middle East.

We should also have told that to Syria, but too many MPs lost their nerve.

Wherever there is a major decision to be made about the security of this planet, Britain is at the top table.

(Cue howls of cynicism...)

But, yes we are.

Phil, I look forward to your future posts on paving and the missing 'lady', but we are poles apart for what we want for our country.

I know I'm not going to change your mind (as you say yourself, the more we argue the more you're resolved to your opinion...)

But I don't want any part of your cynical and would-be broken-up Great Britain. Where people b**** about immigrants and the money they supposedly send back 'home' to their kids (compare the average 'immigrant' to the average indigenous Brit...). I'd rather have a Syrian refuge living beside me than many on this thread - bright, hard working, grateful, ready to make a difference.

We have an ethical and moral duty to be part of a closer and bigger world. It's because we are human beings.
 
And I think you'll find the average Syrian refuge will have better English than Probes too... :rolleyes:
 
Devil's Advocate said:
And I think you'll find the average Syrian refuge will have better English than Probes too... :rolleyes:
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Still the insults even faced with the truth.
Scotland will go for independence in the future again if we are in the EU or not so that's no argument. The EU as a world bargaining power I think not it follows what the USA " suggests ". And you can do a lot of good in this country with £55 million pound a day saved.
And to be fair a Syrian refugee living next to you would probably want to move out and go back home.:)
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Fnurr, fnurr, Phil - well done for finding another cynical poster.

Between you and JJ (who is just as happy to interpret a video clip of Merkel the way Farage wants him to - and who cannot for the life of him think of any alternative meaning :rolleyes: ), you sum up what I do consider to be the pathetic side of British people.

Insular (Wha's like us!). Ungrateful. Whining.

If you truly believe what that poster infers, then I honestly think you are a pitiful person.

Enjoy your dream of standing at Dover shaking your fist over the water. Enjoy your little England.

Britain has no spine? Britain doesn't count?

Tell that to the Balkans. Tell it to Sierra Leone. Tell it to the Ukraine. Tell it to the Middle East.

We should also have told that to Syria, but too many MPs lost their nerve.

Wherever there is a major decision to be made about the security of this planet, Britain is at the top table.

(Cue howls of cynicism...)

But, yes we are.

Phil, I look forward to your future posts on paving and the missing 'lady', but we are poles apart for what we want for our country.

I know I'm not going to change your mind (as you say yourself, the more we argue the more you're resolved to your opinion...)

But I don't want any part of your cynical and would-be broken-up Great Britain. Where people b**** about immigrants and the money they supposedly send back 'home' to their kids (compare the average 'immigrant' to the average indigenous Brit...). I'd rather have a Syrian refuge living beside me than many on this thread - bright, hard working, grateful, ready to make a difference.

We have an ethical and moral duty to be part of a closer and bigger world. It's because we are human beings.
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None of the above would have made any differance whether we are in or out of europe, the US dictated that.

As for a bigger world that's the problem it isn't bigger any more, it to small, allowing peeps to come and NOT go is the problem, we are full to breaking point and being in Europe will not help that, it will hinder it.
 
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