Gangman, yes it is very cheap to get into the pub game nowadays, ever thought about the reasons why? I can tell you from experience, it is not easy! Four ways to run a pub, 1. Be a manager for a large group, no expenses just a wage, but you wont get this kind of job without years of experience. 2. Buy a freehold pub, this is definitely NOT CHEAP, but it is the only way to make a decent living. 3&4 become a tenant or leaseholder (similar but not exactly the same) pub companies and breweries have thousands up for grabs, the reason? people are struggling to make ends meet. Rents are unbelievable, business rates are high, energy costs likewise. You are 'tied' to buying your beer,(and in some cases wines & spirits too) from the brewery/pubco at inflated prices, and if you buy it elsewhere they will terminate your lease. Don't forget building maintenance, in 99% of cases this down to you, and even for someone with building experience able to carry out their own maintenance this can carry huge costs, and when you leave your pub they will carry out a delapidations report, and inevitably find things that they think you should have done to the building and bil you for it. Think long and hard before committing yourselves, ask yourself why there are so many 'business opportunities' available in the pub game. You know the old saying "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is
Well you could always go into fast food.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7209276.stm And get an A level in S*T Management.
Oh for pity's sakes, enjay and anyone else still peddling this pathetic 'choice' line... Why ban smoking? BECAUSE IT'S THE CIVILISED THING TO DO. You twits. Gettit? Good.
Enjay, I know that the pub game is going through a really bad patch, doesnt mean there's no money to be made. Plenty of pubs are suffering through lack of investment or lack of vision. The days of the traditional pub are gone. Beer sales will not keep a pub afloat you have to offer a lot more, and that's something we can do. We have thought long and hard and we will make money on our projects.
Gangman, I couldn't agree more, beer & other wet sales alone most definitely won't keep a pub going, as you say the traditional pub is dead. We took over a pub taking on average £1500 per week, over 4 years built it up to taking £10-11,000 per week because we introduced home cooked food, local produce etc'etc' It was b**y hard work, and without wishing to blow our own trumpet too hard, I guess a lot of that came down to my wife (mainly) and myself and the way we ran the place. Sadly the people that bought the lease from us have just about halved the takings in a little over 5 months. Yes there is still money to be made, but it is very much harder thatn it was a few years ago, and I don't know what you do currently but believe me, even the most successful licensees would love to make the hourly rate that I make as a kitchen & bathroom fitter, (my trade for 20+ years) the social side of running a pub is great, we made some fabulous friends, and yes we do miss it, but the hours? definitely not. My best advice? find a good freehold pub, invest some proper money, and put your good ideas and hard work into that, at least you will be putting your money into good old bricks and mortar as well as your business. Dont' line the pockets of the pubco's such as Punch, Enterprise, and all the others, they will not do you any favours. Have a look at some agents specialising in the licensed trade, Fleurets is a good place to start, and get a good accountant that also specialises in it, there are plenty around. A couple of good publications to get are 'The Publican' www.thepublican.com and 'The Morning Advertiser' www.morningadvertiser.co.uk these are the trade papers that every pub receives and well worth getting hold of. Wish you every success, if you are made for the pub trade you'll love it, if you're not, you'll hate it. Keep me posted
Right, I'm off for a smoke and a peruse through www.morningadvertiser.co.uk. I'm gonna buy me a pub after reading that.
165000 people have stopped smoking since the smoking ban in public places at a cost of £164 p/p,where is the government going to get the money back from also the tax they have lost,all you anti smokers don't complain when your tax goes up smokers DO subsidize the tax you pay
Well I'm happy to pay more tax so I don't have to go out and come back stinking...or watch another relative die a horrible death from lung cancer. Dithering Gordo will soon raise lost revenue elsewhere - tax on breathing anyone?
Thanks for the reply Enjay. Your point about freehold is right, that is the way we are going to go. We are looking at a freehold pub which is basically a restaurant with 260 covers. We are looking to attract families and this place is ideal for what we want to do. To buy a place like this is a big financial investment, as pubs and restaurants are not our game we are going to try out some of our ideas on somewhere cheap first. If we are going to get things wrong, better on a 50k project than on a million plus. As for running a pub, doesn't appeal to me, will be better run by someone who is good at it. You had a nice turnover, good margins I hope. The place we are looking at at the moment, 10k to get in, and we will be happy with an 8k turnover. That will give us a profit and more importantly give us a valuable insight into the business.
Now that i have not had a Cig for 6 months now i am now finding the smell of cig smoke revolting, i myself think there should be a ban on people smoking outside doors of public place's why do we the non smoking public have to put up with this nasty habit if people who smoke could see themselves hugging together in groups outside i think they would do something about it and pack it in it is not easy but it can be done,my next question? is a beer garden at the rear of a public house a public place and legally can you smoke in it if the smoke off someone else is going near you,the reason i ask this question you can't smoke on the car park of our local hospital
Look Tetters, it's only a matter of time. A tiff with a pigeon, a shrunken cloth cap, a pint over 2% abv. Any of these factors will have you sucking on a Cig like you haven't done since Aesop's Christening party. Enjoy, oh weak one.
<<<sigh>>> It's true what they say - the staunchest anti-smoker is an ex-smoker. Just going on and on and on and on... Give it a rest, will ya?
Devs,Say no more,my lips are sealed on the subject,not another word ,i was only trying to get the smokers going,this just talk forum is going down hill,i think every body is at doom and gloom, come on lets have a laugh
Now that i have not had a Cig for 6 months now i am now finding the smell of cig smoke revolting.. And that will get worse tetleyman, I'm in my 9th year of non smoking... You'll be thinking soon, why on earth did I ever smoke..
Now that the smoking ban has been in force for 12 months can anybody tell me how much money has been saved on treating smoke related illnesses in the last 12 months and how much tax have the government missed out on,somebody told me that over 400,000 people have quit the cigs since last july if so where is the tax they where making coming from now(FUEL?)how much tax is there on 20cigs? they are £5.50 a packet to buy.
Now that the smoking ban has been in force for 12 months can anybody tell me how much money has been saved on treating smoke related illnesses in the last 12 months and how much tax have the government missed out on,somebody told me that over 400,000 people have quit the cigs since last july if so where is the tax they where making coming from now(FUEL?)how much tax is there on 20cigs? they are £5.50 a packet to buy. I think you have stopped short of all the recent news? (And what has petrol got ot do with this thread?) Radically reduced NH bill.. Thousands of premature deaths reduced, over the coming years..
It's a strange statistical fact that for a population of a given size, the fatality/illness rate remains stubbornly constant. All you can do is change the cause, not the outcome. All those people that gave up smoking will overeat and choke on fish bones instead! It's true. As of March 2007 "nearly 80% of each packet of 20 cigarettes is duty, or £4.03 of the cover price of £5.23".
I was in Barnstaple again today (whoopee), and I saw someone smoking. Blimey. I genuinely did a double-take - it was so weird, like seeing someone shoot-up in public. They just look stupider and stupider...
I was in Barnstaple again today (whoopee), and I saw someone smoking. Blimey. I genuinely did a double-take - it was so weird, like seeing someone shoot-up in public. They just look stupider and stupider... At least they've a good reason for looking stupid. What's your excuse ? Mr. Handyandy - really
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