So how's Brexit going?

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Odd Bodkin said:
If those asterisks represent the word w.anchors then i agree with that.
If, however, it means a derogatory term for gentlemen of colour then they ought to be ashamed - or does he really want us to all return to the seventies and 'love thy neighbour'?

Mind you, an honest plumber is as rare as hen's teeth; like an honest tory. Almost a contradiction in terms but some of 'em are , like the truth, 'out there' ;)
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Yes, it was the latter. Mind you, he was just being literal in relating what the others had said. (I suspect he's a Leaver too, but I don't want to presume. What makes him - Tom - 'honest' is that he used to be a major part of this forum, and regardless of how much I ever agreed or disagreed with him, he was always thoughtful and intellectually honest. Fab bloke. He considers me a sandal-wearing leftie twit. Got to love the guy... :-( )
 
Odd Bodkin said:
Is preserving the peace in europe, and pushing back Russian influence in the eastern bloc, worth paying for?
I'd say it is, considering the costs of conflict and division.

Concerned about a Polish plumber taking your job?
Get better at your job and become more competitive in the market.
Concerned about a failing nhs?
Provide incentives for British citizens to find a career in nursing an attractive proposition, rather than importing Portugeuse carers.
Concerned about Bulgarian gypsies taking our homes?
Apply pressure at local level and write to your m.p in support of affordable housing.

We do not have to leave the EU in order for these things to be made possible.
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That is actually quite beautiful.
 
Odd Bodkin said:
Is preserving the peace in europe, and pushing back Russian influence in the eastern bloc, worth paying for?
I'd say it is, considering the costs of conflict and division.

Concerned about a Polish plumber taking your job?
Get better at your job and become more competitive in the market.
Concerned about a failing nhs?
Provide incentives for British citizens to find a career in nursing an attractive proposition, rather than importing Portugeuse carers.
Concerned about Bulgarian gypsies taking our homes?
Apply pressure at local level and write to your m.p in support of affordable housing.

We do not have to leave the EU in order for these things to be made possible.
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We had over 40 years in EU,and it was only getting worse,and would continue to,so the only option in a hope of changing things was to leave!
 
Wayners said:
No deal means boarder post in Ireland. Can't see that happening. Be troubles we don't want so I believe no deal will ever happen on that point alone
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Only the losing remainers say we must have a problem border in Ireland,just another myth to add to the fake scare stories.
 
Baxi Boy said:
Only the losing remainers say we must have a problem border in Ireland,just another myth to add to the fake scare stories.
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As a Leaver said on t'web the other day; "So what if a hard border is needed, just set one up. If people start causing trouble, send in the troops."

I kid you not.

Ok, quite possibly it was someone trying to cause mischief against Leavers by being über-ridiculous, but if that is a genuine viewpoint, lord help us.
 
Baxi Boy said:
We had over 40 years in EU,and it was only getting worse,and would continue to,so the only option in a hope of changing things was to leave!
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Worse?

Since the CC of 2008, yes. But that had nought to do with the EU. And quite a bit to do with our Government.

You can compare the times of your youth and things are worse for you now (or, ideally, before the CC?)

If so, I guess you must have made some bad mistakes in your life. So blame the EU, why don't you.

(Do you really have anything to do with Baxis?)
 
Found out last night that there can't be boarders in Ireland as it breaks the good Friday agreement. Not heard that mentioned on TV... Think the answer it to turn the UK around so Scotland is closer to EU. Then get trump can build a wall using hadrian wall plc and those that don't like the EU can go live up north in Cornwall and those that do can stay south in Scotland. Just you wait. They will vote on this in 2020 im sure the way its going
 
Wayners said:
Found out last night that there can't be boarders in Ireland as it breaks the good Friday agreement. Not heard that mentioned on TV... Think the answer it to turn the UK around so Scotland is closer to EU. Then get trump can build a wall using hadrian wall plc and those that don't like the EU can go live up north in Cornwall and those that do can stay south in Scotland. Just you wait. They will vote on this in 2020 im sure the way its going
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What is truly worrying is that your idea does not seem all that unreasonable.
 
Baxi Boy said:
We had over 40 years in EU,and it was only getting worse,and would continue to,so the only option in a hope of changing things was to leave!
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You keep blaming the EU for all our woe and worry but Austerity wasn't an EU policy; it's a Tory answer to an economic crisis inspired by Right wing free market principles instigated during the Eighties.
If you really want something to complain about why not take a look at how much a CEO earns this year, or how much profit your bank made last year.
 
Wayners said:
Found out last night that there can't be boarders* in Ireland as it breaks the good Friday agreement. Not heard that mentioned on TV...
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If that's the case then you've not been paying attention; it's been well commented upon.

*And it's borders, not boarders.
The latter are paying guests, such as those at a B&B.
 
Baxi Boy said:
We had over 40 years in EU,and it was only getting worse,and would continue to,so the only option in a hope of changing things was to leave!
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Worse how?

Look at earnings, standard of living, healthcare, education etc etc. All way higher.

You have been groomed mate by those who wanted your vote.
 
Baxi Boy said:
Only the losing remainers say we must have a problem border in Ireland,just another myth to add to the fake scare stories.
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Presumably The Troubles were fake news too.

So the concept of an issue over the border is a myth? Righto.

You are well and truly a fundamentalist arent you.

You have been groomed into your way of thinking by Farage and his sweets and puppies and now you are so indoctrinated there is no hope for any rational conversation.
 
Vixere said:
What has she left to offer? She's tried money, threats of a no-deal, her dignity, and now even her own head to try and buy a few more votes.

Damn it all, I guess she'll have to resort to democracy.
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Got to give her 'credit'; she's found another threat with which to bully her party - an election.

She really knows how to promote the qualities of her deal, doesn't she.
 
Vixere said:
You can compare the times of your youth and things are worse for you now (or, ideally, before the CC?)
If so, I guess you must have made some bad mistakes in your life.
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Really Vix? That's harsh.
People are only worse off if they've made "bad mistakes"?

Like what? Having mistakenly chosen to be born to poor parents?
Chosen not to be born gifted with the sort of mathematical brain needed to become a banker?

To the graphs!

From the ONS:


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The lower quartile (that's the bottom 25%) have had only negative growth for over a decade.
Everyone (including me) tends to focus on the median, but just look at that bottom 25% a second.

Bear in mind that that's the GROWTH that's negative. That means it's getting worse every single year. Negative growth - that **** compounds.
The top 25% have still enjoyed real positive growth every year. We're not even talking about the fat cat 1% here - that's the top quartile.

The bottom 25% includes a lot of working families seeing things getting worse.
Worse - every. single. year.
Gulp.

But your point, was the EU to blame?
I dunno man, many would argue that the EU has laissez-faire[1] economic policy baked in.
I suppose we'd need to cross ref with other EU states to see if it's Conservative policy to blame.

Sure, the CC was rough but, like cheap sandpaper, it was much rougher in some areas than others.

Regardless of whether the EU is it fault, I don't think it's that puzzling why people voted for a massive change in our economic system.
If I were on that yellow line then I'd want a reboot too.

Brexiteers please don't think I've "changed sides". Numbers don't have sides[2].

[1] Even the expression is French!
[2] errr - I suppose the number "1" has a left side and right side. And when looking after number "1", it determines whether you support the left or the right.[3]
[3] Perhaps if I thought about that sentence a little more then it could be made to work. As it stands - meh.
 
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