Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Deleted member 33931, Apr 23, 2017.

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  1. The mooted figure is atound 240/250 000 a year, so your figure is probably close enough. But we are not building that many.

    Interesting report about the stranglehold of the top 8/10 housebuilders out too. Couldn't have come out at a more relevant time than now.

    Maybe the government is reading these threads :eek:
  2. Phil the Paver

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    There's no maybe about it.
  3. fillyboy

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    It wont decrease the debt, as Mark Blyth explains in great depth, all austerity will do is shrink the economy. Greece is a classic example.
    I'm not sure I agree that austerity is a classic 'Tory' ideology, sure, in this country labour claim they will do away with austerity, but austerity is in place in most of western Europe and America, it's been implemented in many of those countries by socialist governments, I expect in many of those countries they are doing so at Germanys insistence.
  4. Good points, PJ, but I do disagree with some of it.

    The standard of living these days, as compared to even 30 years ago - is, I think, better.

    Yes, I know that many cannot afford to buy their houses, but if you look at what else is availble to them - quality & standard of accommodation, cost & accessibility to nasty electronic gizmos, opportunities for travel, etc, then most people have 'more' these days.

    Whether they are more 'happy' as a result is a bigger issue.
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  5. P J Thompson

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    @filly Yup, the reason I put a ' around the word tory was because you're absolutely right that it's not just a Brit thing. I could perhaps have said 'centre right' or even 'right' but chose not to. Can't remember why :D

    The reason why it's been implemented recently by socialist govs too is they had no choice! A la Greece.
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  6. P J Thompson

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    Not only have many been priced out of the housing market but also rents have skyrocketed.
    The young struggle to even afford to rent anywhere now.
    I don't subscribe to the notion that gizmos mean we are better off. It just means we have more cheap distractions.
    Look at things like how food is so much poorer nowadays. Supermarkets are mostly stocked with poor nutrition...
    I'm not harking back to some golden age, it's just that I maybe measure 'better off' a tad differently?
  7. Have rents skyrocketed? Not down here (south-west) they haven't. And amen to that.

    As for what's available in t'average supermarket - it's up to the individual to chose what's good for them - and there's surely more choice now?

    But, perhaps, more nutritional ignorance too.

    Hmmm, a correlation betwixt poor nutritional choice and Brexit?

  8. fillyboy

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    I've always been of the opinion that people who say 'money can't buy you happiness' don't know where to shop.:)
  9. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    Wrong, Cornwall was around 56% Brexit, and all the nourishment a body needs is in a pasty.
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  10. Oooookkaaaayyyy, so if a pasty is nutritional, then a Brexit is 'good'?

    Ok, got ya now :)
  11. longboat

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    The housing crisis that's been banded about of late doesn't really correlate to the actual number of houses available. As you say it's more a point of 'affordable' housing that's caused the blanket approach given to housing generally.
    I'm sure you're right about the situation down your way, but up here in the impoverished north the amount of 1-2 bed flats and houses being built far outweighs the more exclusive 5-6 bed detached houses.
    They're being shoehorned in all over the place, many on tiny plots that are obscured by the existing properties around them.
    The house builder's don't give a damn who buys the properties they've built, if the demand is for large family homes, they build them. If it's for tiny one-two bed apartments/terraced abodes, they'll build them, also.
  12. P J Thompson

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    I live in Cornwall and rents around here are certainly high. Maybe not Bodmin or Camborne though. :D

    A Studio flat in the nearest town here is around £525-£550.
    So if you are under 25 you won't be getting one of those even on a Cornish wage...

    A 3 bed family home will be about £750-£800. Most jobs here are minimum wage. So, what chance is there for one parent to provide for their family down here without state aid?
  13. longboat

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    Ower here, ya can get a 3-4 bed detached hoose in a well ta-do area, with gardens an a gated drive for that kinda money.
  14. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    According to the figures there's no need to build that many. The 200000/yr is the break even point just to keep up with the demand of every additional citizen living in a house on their own. Babies and adolescents included.
    So, according to the population figures we should be in a surplus by a country mile...
    Are we? Are we not?
    I don't know.
    The statistics seem to prove that everything is hunky-dory, so why is the opposite reported?

  15. Maybe we read different figures.

    The only reason, surely

    Figures are easy available
  16. Cornwall is an anomaly - low wages but lots of second/holiday homes and high housing demand as a result. That's indeed a recipe for hard times for the locals.

    Hard to know what to do about that without direct interference with people's basic rights?

    Here in North Devon, a 3-bed house is around £600pm rent, and this typically hasn't gone up in quite a few years (I guess because interest rates are static too.)

  17. Some reading for you. The figuresvI mention are in there
  18. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    1.7 million new homes were built in the uk in 2006-7, so yes, you could have a point.
  19. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    Dorset - a lot of high rent areas, Same in Somerset, same in Devon, Wiltshire and Hampshire. Of course, there are areas in all of these counties where you can find cheaper rents but even in your area, £600 is a lot. Add in other bills and you're likely around £800 pm. On minimum wage that doesn't leave you a lot for feeding, clothing and giving your family stuff that entertains and stimulates. So even in your slightly cheaper area it's not likely that a family could live off of one minimum wage...without the skew of tax credits and housing/ct benefit.
    Whereas in the golden age ( :D ), even without these benefits it was do-able.

    Interest rates have only been this low for a relatively short time, rents were already high when this happened. They have been for a good long while now.
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  20. P J Thompson

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    And another thing :D

    Security in your home and job must surely be factored in to the equation. Must surely be included in whether we are better off.
    Private rental agreements aren't secure. I myself have had a home sold from underneath me and a friend had it happen this year. 6 month lets....mmmmm
    Contracts that don't even give you guaranteed hours...mmmmm

    Surely this stuff has to be considered when thinking about our standard of living compared to previous um golden ages ;)
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