Wellwisher
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Ask Winston whoever he is. An EICR is a personal document and that person would need to give permission for it to be posted on a public forum.
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Bazza
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Its ok, you can - of course - anonymise the report.
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Maybe you would like to write to them. I'm sure the Committee Manager would appreciate your vast knowledge. Taken from the publication information:
I have explained why there are updates to the Regulations. It is due to all the other standards involved. Appendix 1 commences with
and is then followed by numerous pages referring to those standards. Therefore, by definition, if one of those standards changes in a manner that affects 7671 then 7671 must change to include that new standard, reference or modification.
Nothing to do with mistakes. Sorry - no Mars bar this time (other chocolate bars are available.)
Tuxmark2
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'Units' sold in the UK have to be compliant to UK standards, that includes a fused plug because it is a requirement, simple as that.
Wellwisher
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As you obviously did not read my post I'll repeat it here.
Until recently they were made without plugs. Then when plugs became a requirement they were fitted. The same unit sold abroad are with local plugs WITHOUT fuses.
Bazza
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No work today, again @Wellwisher ?
Ind spark
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@Wellwisher, would you be happy with a socket on a lighting circuit with a light plugged into it?
If so what's the difference?
If so what's the difference?
Wellwisher
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No of course not. A 13A socket on the lighting circuit is bad practice. What ever is plugged into it now can be unplugged and replaced with a high power device.
Ind spark
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A good few years back I wired a whole factory with 12 rows of lighting trunking with a single socket on the side by every light, the maintenance team love it as it so easy to replace a light.
Should I go back and re do the lot?
Tuxmark2
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And ? This is the UK not abroad. There are reasons way beyond your understanding why devices are fitted with a compliant plug and fuse, but I will try to enlighten you, one being it was deemed necessary to improve safety and secondly the fuse was and still is there to protect the rest of the circuit in a worse case scenario, ignoring discrimination for the time being because you are talking about an unfused plug, you do realise that a 6A lighting circuit is protected by a 6A protective device that can have a trip current between 3 and 5 times the rated current, correct ? More so on older installations, you can look this data up if you care to.
Now when I went to school we learnt that 3 times 6 is 18, so its possible that is a device connected to 6A circuit develops a fault, for a very short time it could draw up to 18A minimum, it may be for a very short time but even so its possible the cable and the device itself could ignite, would you want that possibility in your home, in your own attic ? it is a small risk and rarely occurs but when it does, its often devastating and sometimes fatal. If you care to spend some time researching this and finding real world examples you may learn something and finally realise why we have or supposed to have standards to try to negate this.
Tuxmark2
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Why the surprise, would you employ him? I wouldn't.
Coloumb
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That would only apply if the socket supplied a light.
malbec4
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On an EICR there isn't an option for dangerous (C1) and potentially dangerous C2) and improvement (C3) as your post suggests. It's one of the three, ignoring FI and no code at all.
Yes
Ind spark
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The reg does not state that.
Coloumb
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You are quoting from a sub-set of regs that apply to LUMINAIRES AND LIGHTING INSTALLATIONS, section 559.
559.1 Scope
This section applies to the selection and erection of luminaires and lighting installations intended to be part of the fixed installation
They do not apply to the fixed wiring. You are quoting out of context. The regulation allows for use of a socket to feed a light fitting and nothing else.
At each fixed lighting point one of the following shall be used for the termination of the wiring system:
etc...
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Give up now.
Not arguing with you on either post. Better things to do than head for a 5009 post thread because you can't admit you're wrong.
Coloumb
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Oh yea here we go. What exactly am I wrong about? Sounds like a face saving cop out to me @Bazza-spark. Nothing new there though.
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What you quoted above for a start. The Reg stated intended to be part of the fixed installation and you said They do not apply to the fixed wiring.
Not a cop out, I just know how you twist things so you can "win". You related to Wellwisher?
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