right, im totaly spent! i have to leave......forum takes time, and although is occasionly funny, its lost the touch, and i dont have the time for it anymore! its been good, and i know im in the presence of many good tradesmen, charlie(the one who dont work outside in the cold...cos its too cold :'( wolf the master chippie, and all the good sparks...too many to mention! plus after posting these i will have hit 2000 posts may pop in from time to time...but probrably not nice to have been here! oh and B&S i bumped intoone of your dappy..er..happy* coustemers....she says your **** the final, from SS