stop doing electrical work

**** off

 

Bob,

Generally, I don't do electrical work, but if it's non-notifiable & not ecomonically viable to get a sparky in, I will do it myself.

"just think of it as a plumber fitting a kitchen..."

Fair comment, if you're talking about a kitchen fitter attempting a full house rewire. But if you're just changing a few faceplates, it's hardly a fair comparison - more like "just think of it as a plumber replacing half a metre of skirting he's had to rip off to get some pipes through". If the plumber is capable of doing a tiny job like that, then fair play to him - I wouldn't expect him to sub-contract it to someone like me.

JRB - Kitchen Fitter

 

Any daft sh*te can do electrics, I've rewired a house, and I'm a thick joiner. So bob, **** off

 

any daft ***** can do electics but can they do it to regs or legally???????? or even understand what they r doing ??

 

I'm at a loss, the 1st part p prosecution was an <u>electrician</u> from newcastle, so forget all this regs and legal pap

 

and how often have you heard sparks these days utter the words, 'oh I just wont issue a certificate this time, as the wiring doesnt comply' You cant have it both ways

 

thats the problem tim, whingeing electricians, if a thick sh*te like me can pass part p, then anyone can, so we need no wowlers like bob to certify our work. his gripe is other trades doing elecky work, well we can, but i have come across all trades who can extend a ring main and/or put news lights in, but elctricians can do naff all except electricity, surely everyones seen the mess an electrician leaves to a wall after a rewire, my cocker spaniel can plaster patch better

 

Have you noticed how since part p the humble spark now seems to think he,s the top man.Been said before but I could wire a ring main or lighting circuit. How many sparks can hang a door or fit a kitchen?

 

bloody hell yorkshire i thought i was the only one that noticed that, i'm a joiner by trade, and lekkies i've worked with now look down at me as tho' am a piece of sh*te since these unnecessary regs came in:_|

 

I have also spent a lot of my time over the years redoing bad work by spark, fused spurs with the ring main attached to both sides so the switch isolates the ring, lighting circuits wired permantly on, etc.

Wiring is not difficult if you stick to the basic rules.

And yes sparks do seem to think they are the most important people on the planet at the moment

 

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Your right we are not Gods
However sent by God to protect all from kitchen fitters

 

real spark, ive had sparks do alot worse than a kitchen fitter. maybe we have some new momentum to launch another attack on the sparks forum!!!!

 

Did someone mention my name?

 

Im sure there are many kitchen fitters who can do a reasonable job at running a bit of 2.5mm round a kitchen but thats not the point. Its having the knowledge and experiance to design the installation correctly, its having the knowledge and tools to test your installation to ensure it is safe

Im sure I could install a bit of gas pipe to a cooker or boiler, after all I have done quite a bit of plumbing and I rarely have a leaking joint but if it goes **** up and the house burns down or worse someone dies then can I be sure it wasnt my fault? No one has died because of a badly fitted work top but there are plenty of accidents and deaths from unskilled individuals who thought they knew enough about electrical or gas work

My initial reaction to part P was less than positive but the more I read about wood butchers and plumbers bodging domestic electrical work to save a few quid the more I realise it has an important role to play. As an electrician I do not have to defend it part P, the householder will become more familiar with part P like they have with Corgi and gas work, insisting they get the relevent certificate

 

yes but I have never met a plumber who would leave a gas appliance that didnt met the regd, I have met plenty of sparks who just wont write you out a certificate because the wiring doesnt met reg.

 

Im sure there are many kitchen fitters who can do a
reasonable job at running a bit of 2.5mm round a
kitchen but thats not the point. Its having the
knowledge and experiance to design the installation
correctly, its having the knowledge and tools to test
your installation to ensure it is safe

What is meant by designing the installation correctly. When alls said and done the installation involves "running a bit of 2.5 round" it is not rocket science.If your installation is sound you should know its safe without testing. Does this mean that all the work done by reputable sparks pre-testing regs is unsafe

 

I think you summed your self up nicely Yorkshire boy,`what is meant by designing a circuit correctly?` n throwing a bit of 2.5mm around, do you really think decent sparks go to college for 3-4 years to learn how to throw a bit of 2.5mm around?
There is a very big difference from making a socket or light work to making it work SAFELY
One of the reasons Part P was bought in was because an MPs daughter was electrocuted by an installation a kitchen fitter had done because he knew nothing about running cables in the correct zones
Im not saying all kitchen fitters cant do sparking but there are alot of regulations to adhere to and its hard enough to keep track of them when sparking is your main trade let alone just a sideline
Im sure you kitchen fitters are great at your jobs
Just out of curosity how many of you kitchen fitters test the electrical installation when you have done it? Or even own testing equipment?
Your comment about not having to test if your installation is sound has made my day yorkshireboy So you think electricians only test their installation because they KNOW they did it wrong in the first place????

 

I think you summed your self up nicely Yorkshire boy,`what is meant by designing a circuit correctly?` n throwing a bit of 2.5mm around, do you really think decent sparks go to college for 3-4 years to learn how to throw a bit of 2.5mm around?
There is a very big difference from making a socket or light work to making it work SAFELY
One of the reasons Part P was bought in was because an MPs daughter was electrocuted by an installation a kitchen fitter had done because he knew nothing about running cables in the correct zones
Im not saying all kitchen fitters cant do sparking but there are alot of regulations to adhere to and its hard enough to keep track of them when sparking is your main trade let alone just a sideline
Im sure you kitchen fitters are great at your jobs
Just out of curosity how many of you kitchen fitters test the electrical installation when you have done it? Or even own testing equipment?
Your comment about not having to test if your installation is sound has made my day yorkshireboy So you think electricians only test their installation because they KNOW they did it wrong in the first place????

 

What a load of twaddle tell, many if not all lekkies left unsleeved earths outside of junction boxes then twisted the wires together. Since part P came in all we get now phase this and cpc that, drag yourselves back to earth, or should that be CPC.