Taking the Heat out of an argument about N.I.

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Allsorts said:
And here comes SF's own pocket-sized Trump defence mechanism. What a Leaver.

Fracking per se ain't the issue; it's Trump's virtual dismantling of all environmental protection for the sake of some bucks. Multi-millions of acres have had their former protection removed to allow mining, pipe-lines and pretty much anything that stands in the way of what trump believes damages economic growth.

Does it matter? I don't know - but I can guess. "An analysis essay published in June by two Harvard University scientists, David Cutler and Francesca Dominici, looked specifically at the health impacts of changes to the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) policies on air pollutants and toxic chemicals. They came up with the 80,000 deaths figure by analyzing the EPA's own data.

The deaths would result from increased diseases from bad air and water quality, and would be in addition to the deaths that would have resulted from those diseases anyway under the previous trajectory before Trump scrapped the protections."

I cannot verify these claims, but anyone who thinks it's ok for a despot like Trump to simply dismiss environmental concerns for a quick economic boost is not someone I would want determining the future path of Britain.

Your Nige Lawson is a prime example, potentially throwing our future to the wind - as he chases French residency.

These changes have a permanence. They will not easily be reversed.

But clearly your fragile ego feels it's a price worth paying.

Shudder.
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I’m surprised that people in Northern Ireland can sleep at night, knowing that DA ( or perhaps they are more bothered about things happening in NI ( just a complete guess you know ))
 
Allsorts said:
That ex-MP - who devoted himself totally to what was best for his constituents during his tenure (unlike the current MP who looks after what's in his bed - quite literally) - is now fully involved in what IS the 'largest community-owned wind farm in the country'
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It may be, the largest community owned wind farm in the country (do they know that you're the largest producer of wind in the sff community.?), but your beloved ex-msp, is a deluded fellow that doesn't understand how the real world works. Wants everything for nothing, expects others to endure financial investment risks for his benefit, and can't quite understand why others, whom he holds back, don't share his view point. A typical 'Fabian Society' view, if ever there was one.
Allsorts said:
Why? Because it benefits the community 100% rather than a multi-national (French-owned) conglomerate (EDF).
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I agree, I does benefit the community.
They've achieved a great deal in setting it up through charitable donations and capitalist derived loans, hats off to em.
The problems arise when they want more.
Nay, demand more.
Expect more.
Feel entitled, to more.
All at someone else's expense, of course.
Allsorts said:
I could tell you lots about his commitment to this cause - like sinking virtually all his salary in to the P&S Trust to the effect that for the past 5 years his bedroom window has been literally without a window pane due to rot that he couldn't afford to have replaced, but I'd be wasting such info on an excremental mind.
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That's funny. Primarily in the unbelievable context as I don't see his name on the list of donors in the charity's accounts.
Secondly, it's just 'funny'. I literally laughed out loud.
Only a dedicated europhile could spin such a crock-o-poo, and only a dedicated europhile would belive it.
You have my sympathy, if now't else.
 
Allsorts said:
And here comes SF's own pocket-sized Trump defence mechanism. What a Leaver.

Fracking per se ain't the issue; it's Trump's virtual dismantling of all environmental protection for the sake of some bucks. Multi-millions of acres have had their former protection removed to allow mining, pipe-lines and pretty much anything that stands in the way of what trump believes damages economic growth.

Does it matter? I don't know - but I can guess. "An analysis essay published in June by two Harvard University scientists, David Cutler and Francesca Dominici, looked specifically at the health impacts of changes to the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) policies on air pollutants and toxic chemicals. They came up with the 80,000 deaths figure by analyzing the EPA's own data.

The deaths would result from increased diseases from bad air and water quality, and would be in addition to the deaths that would have resulted from those diseases anyway under the previous trajectory before Trump scrapped the protections."

I cannot verify these claims, but anyone who thinks it's ok for a despot like Trump to simply dismiss environmental concerns for a quick economic boost is not someone I would want determining the future path of Britain.

Your Nige Lawson is a prime example, potentially throwing our future to the wind - as he chases French residency.

These changes have a permanence. They will not easily be reversed.

But clearly your fragile ego feels it's a price worth paying.


Shudder.
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Fracking per se ain't the issue?, then why on earth did you say it was man?, more to the point, why did you blame it on Trump?, that's beyond bizarre.

Allsorts said:
I cannot verify these claims, but anyone who thinks it's ok for a despot like Trump to simply dismiss environmental concerns for a quick economic boost is not someone I would want determining the future path of Britain.
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You've never been able to verify any claim you've made on this forum.

Allsorts said:
Your Nige Lawson is a prime example, potentially throwing our future to the wind - as he chases French residency.
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Are you saying that somebody who owns a house in France is not capable of speaking the truth, actually, you might have a point there.

Allsorts said:
An analysis essay published in June by two Harvard University scientists, David Cutler and Francesca Dominici, looked specifically at the health impacts of changes to the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) policies on air pollutants and toxic chemicals. They came up with the 80,000 deaths figure by analyzing the EPA's own data.
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And how many people did they say would die, or in fact, suffer any ill effects whatsoever, from eating chlorine washed chicken? I'll give you a clue, 0.
 
Why did I mention fracking? I mentioned it as one of many issues. And there are many - all with a common environmentally-damaging theme.

More to the point, why did you only mention fracking? That's because er...uh...um...

Am I an expert on this issue? No. That's why I cited a seemingly credible investigation carried out by HU scientists. I think that's at least worth a ***** of the ears?

What did you offer? Just your usual - cynicism.
 
longboat said:
It may be, the largest community owned wind farm in the country (do they know that you're the largest producer of wind in the sff community.?), but your beloved ex-msp, is a deluded fellow that doesn't understand how the real world works. Wants everything for nothing, expects others to endure financial investment risks for his benefit, and can't quite understand why others, whom he holds back, don't share his view point. A typical 'Fabian Society' view, if ever there was one.

I agree, I does benefit the community.
They've achieved a great deal in setting it up through charitable donations and capitalist derived loans, hats off to em.
The problems arise when they want more.
Nay, demand more.
Expect more.
Feel entitled, to more.
All at someone else's expense, of course.

That's funny. Primarily in the unbelievable context as I don't see his name on the list of donors in the charity's accounts.
Secondly, it's just 'funny'. I literally laughed out loud.
Only a dedicated europhile could spin such a crock-o-poo, and only a dedicated europhile would belive it.
You have my sympathy, if now't else.
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At least you had a chuckle, Longsie.

Yeah, I did wonder whether I should mention that wee anecdote, quite personal as it is. It does happen to be completely true, tho'.

That guy is completely driven by doing what's best for his community; I doubt there's a single cell in your body that would entertain such a thought. In fact you seem content to damage the poorest communities just to satisfy the wee beastie in yer 'ead.

How 'ronic.

I am gratified that your cesspit cynicism is dripping large for all to see.

The smell that must surround you...

There truly is two types of folk, and I'm so glad I'm nothing like you and your sidekicks.
 
Can I assure you, IIR, |I would be extremely worried if any of the u-s on here - that's any of them - were to demonstrate a sign of altruistic humanity.

At the moment we know where we stand with you lot. We know what drives you. We know that what's best for the UK and beyond doesn't register.

It's all about the wee beastie.
 
The so-called "EU" has no place in Ireland. Brexit is in the interests of Ireland as well as the interests of Britain, and indeed it is in the interests of Europe and of the whole world.
 
Risteard said:
The so-called "EU" has no place in Ireland. Brexit is in the interests of Ireland as well as the interests of Britain, and indeed it is in the interests of Europe and of the whole world.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying there, Ris.

I'm guessing that by your use of the expression "the so-called "EU"" that you are disparaging of it? In which case I'm afraid your comment is one of simplistic and gross ignorance.

You say the EU has 'no place in Ireland'? Eh? Ireland is in the EU and benefits from it as it should and abides by its rules. So what on earth are you saying? That you don't think it should have 'no place ' in Ireland?

Ie - you've just given us your opinion?

Cool, that's fine. Please make that clear so your posts are understandable; I thought you were trying to state a 'fact' for a moment.



I couldn't disagree more with your opinion. And that's fact.
 
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Allsorts said:
Eh? Ireland is in the EU and benefits from it as it should and abides by its rules.
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Ireland does not benefit from the so-called "EU". The 26-Counties are a net contributor to the so-called "EU" - look at fishing rights etc. if you need any proof of that. They have also on two separate occasions been forced to rerun referenda in order to have the so-called "EU's" will imposed upon them - Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 (originally known as the EU Constitution).

The so-called "EU" can burn in hell.
 
Risteard said:
Ireland does not benefit from the so-called "EU". The 26-Counties are a net contributor to the so-called "EU" - look at fishing rights etc. if you need any proof of that. They have also on two separate occasions been forced to rerun referenda in order to have the so-called "EU's" will imposed upon them - Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 (originally known as the EU Constitution).

The so-called "EU" can burn in hell.
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As will you.
 
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