The cost of civil disobedience?

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by WillyEckerslike, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    Should people convicted of public order offences arising out of protests like the one taking place in London at present, lose all state support until they have met the policing and court costs they have racked up?
    There are numerous accepted channels available to them to make their point - including peaceful protest - but this goes beyond.
    Stands back. Waits for a 'LOL' or two (even in the same sentence).
     
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  2. dinkydo

    dinkydo Screwfix Select

    While we are waiting for our favourite LOL sally to respond, I do think it’s a can of worms, so if the protesters should pay for the policing & court costs, that’s fine but when a uk citizen decides to wage war on the uk by joining a terrorist organisation and is subsequently stripped of their citizenship should that person be granted legal aid paid for by the uk citizens she was helping to attack ? or should they fund their own court costs ?
     
  3. WillyEckerslike

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    Ooh that's a good one. This could be more divisive than Brexit - until Sally unites us all again.
     
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  4. dinkydo

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    :p:)
     
  5. dinkydo

    dinkydo Screwfix Select

    Hey you know I think the gal has a talent, I’m considering joining her fan club that would make two of us with GB :D
     
  6. Broon

    Broon Active Member

    LOL Sally aside. This is an important topic. London retailers are saying its cost them millions and its affecting the whole city plus there are others all over the country. I understand that something needs to be done to help the environment. These protests will probably turn the majority against them though and have the opposite of what they are trying to achieve.
    Should they pay these fees yes or at least given a document before hand which shows them the costs of their actions and the head of the operation needs to sign to agree they will pay if the protesters get out hand.
    So say cost for police involvement £5000
    Cost for court cases £2500 per case
    (I understand these figures will be no where near the real cost but just using them as an example)
     
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  7. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    Are you obsessed with me Filly?
     
  8. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    Should the Suffragettes paid for the costs of their prosecution?
     
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  9. dinkydo

    dinkydo Screwfix Select

    Do think your kinda cute :rolleyes:
     
  10. dinkydo

    dinkydo Screwfix Select

    Definitely, chaining themselves to railings, interrupting race meeting, marching all over the place causing disruption, what’s all that about ? they should have been at home washing the pots
     
  11. WillyEckerslike

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    I think if someone wants to glue themselves to some inanimate object, fine, let them. Leave them there, throw a cordon around them to prevent access and let the prune juice and lentils get to work....
     
  12. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    There is a long history of civil disobedience that has achieved so much including the independence of countries, universal suffrage and human rights that this question is ridiculous.
     
  13. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    The overwhelming majority of those successes were in situations where there was oppression and a lack of a democratic process. This is not the case in this instance.

    And as for Emma Thompson flying in from the states to address an environmental rally.....
     
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  14. metrokitchens

    metrokitchens Screwfix Select

    What price freedom?

    What does oppression cost?
     
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  15. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    Fake news.

    She wafted in on a breeze of righteousness.
     
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  16. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    They are trying to save the planet.
     
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  17. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    Who decides what's worthwhile, you, me or Trevor the Troll?
     
  18. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    I haven't criticised their cause - far from it. I personally think however that they've done the cause a disservice and I don't think it right that working and resident Londoners should bear the costs, both practically and financially, of sorting out some of their stunts - hence my original question.
     
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  19. Heat

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    The protestors in London largely looked like a bunch of hippies or students or younger folk, most of whom probably do little or no work, so easy for them to have the time to disrupt other people’s time.
     
  20. greenback78

    greenback78 Active Member

    And how does that diminish the validity of the cause?
     

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