The wonderful undemocratic corrupt failing EU

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Now that we have been threatened with "Catastrophe" by EU bureaucrat dictators, with no fly zone over Europe, road blocks, medicine and food shortages.
(which I regard as WW3 language )
Perhaps we should use the 39 BILLION Pounds to bolster businesses before and after Brexit.
Plus use our annual NET contribution from march of 9 BILLION to assist the above.
Stop the 13 BILLION aid to foreign countries ...stat. of which most is wasted, syphoned off, used for warlords..and not needed by countries with Nuclear and Space programs.
I also wonder how EU businesses will view this blockage on their goods to us. ?

Anything that is already imported 'Through' the EU to us can be imported directly, without tax, to our ports.
I am sure China/USA/NZ/Aust/South America, Africa/ India/Pakistan/Asia ...just want to do business with us.

Is anyone now in a any doubt ...exactly...what the EU is...and what it will be like when it has an EU army controlled by Germany ?

As I suggested years ago. If we had used the 80 BILLION POUNDS of HS1 and HS2 money to set up 80 one billion pond industries in the UK using local products to make things we need...the benefits would have been spectacular in every aspect...and given us some protection against the madmen of the EU...which has come to pass.
RS
 
We should never have joined the EU in the first place.
We could have been a trade partner and followed some of the sensible rules the EU set.
Without doubt the EU would have wanted to trade with us.
...but we never actually did join this EU and were slowly manoeuvred into it. And on that point, - How can we leave something we never joined? - it was undemocratic, so actually we were never a member as elected by the U.K. people, so the EU “membership” is false.
 
I agree we joined the EEC...for economic reasons...and that might have been a good thing if it had been administered correctly.
It was than phased into the EU...which was and is an undemocratic corrupt and political behemoth with long range plans... to control Europe both economically and militarily.
(hence the proposed EU army headed by Germany...with it's previous unsavoury history.)
We have seen how the EU has treated Ireland, Holland Greece...in a most undemocratic way....refusing to accept the results of legitimate elections... in each country.
We were told we would be "punished" for daring to leave the EU..(even under it's own rules regulations and Laws !)
Does anyone want to be a member of a 'club' with this attitude ?

Don't misunderstand me, I am in favour of mutual beneficial trading arrangements to benefit everyone and the simplification of border controls, safety, human rights, joint engineering projects etc.

I wonder how Spain feels about the EU attempting to cause chaos to 19 MILLION British tourists every year ?
How VW/Audi feel... about us telling them we will only buy Japanese/Korean in future.
How the food producers in EU feel about us only buying from the rest of the world in future ?
https://www.glotechrepairs.co.uk/news/the-uks-top-food-imports-and-where-they-come-from/

Make interesting reading.
RS
 
I totally agree with both of you on this, hopefully the next time one of these idiot European countries goes to war Britain and America will keep out of it.
Countries like France are a joke, bailed out in two world wars, then at the end of the second world war they try to take back control of Vietnam, completely balls it up, then when America steps in to help they bugger off and leave them to it.
Cheese eating surrender monkeys.
 
This is a wonderful thread :)

I think - tho' I may be wrong - that Btiwan has just about 'got it'.
 
What do all these posters - including me - have in common? Yup, born white, in the UK, and livin' in the 21st Century.

What an achievement.
 
Allsorts said:
This is a wonderful thread :)

I think - tho' I may be wrong - that Btiwan has just about 'got it'.
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"Got" what? Did you not read RS's masterful analysis[1]?

Let's do the maths (because someone should):
There are approximately six million businesses in the UK.
According to RS's advanced mathematics we'll get a windfall of just over six grand each!
Gosh! Imagine how that will transform British industry.

AND we get about one and half grand a year too.
Imagine that! Fifteen hundred quid a year!
I'd definitely have voted leave if I knew my business could have an extra thirty quid a week.
Because then I'd completely forget about the collapse in my business' purchasing power due to the fall in the pound.

I'm sure that's a lot of money to some people[2], but there's a reason why businesses were overwhelmingly against this vote.
They can count.

The majority of people in employment voted to remain, whereas pensioners and the unemployed overwhelmingly voted to leave[3].
I have no idea why we want to implement the half-baked economic theories of the economically inactive.

Anyone who takes financial advice from a retired sparky deserves what they get[4].

See AS? Who said Britain was divided?
That can't be true! As it appears that simple division is beyond our capabilities.

But that doesn't make him a racist. Just innumerate.

[1] and they say that "the kids today" can't string a sentence together.
[2] I'm not really sure, but I sound callous if I don't say that.
[3] don't make me dig out the source for this again.
[4] although it probably wouldn't be as dangerous as someone who gets a financial advisor to rewire their house.
 
We have to stand back and look carefully at the propaganda promoted by both sides of this argument. For trade the EU is great, but it does not respond favourably to change due to the veto system that overrides all democracy. I voted leave, but in my heart I know we would be better in a reformed EU, but as it is unable to reform, then sadly we must leave, and sadder still we MUST crash out otherwise the EU will punish us financially even more under the current proposals. I know others will disagree, that's fine by me, I respect your views. Please give my views the same respect.
 
Good post Bob. Not sure I agree, but I don't disagree either. Its a bloomin mess we're in.

I voted remain, but the deal on the table looks to be the worst of all worlds and I think a no-deal brexit, whilst hurting us in the short and medium, could be the least worst option long term. May be.

I really don't know anymore. There are 3 poisons on the table (no deal, horrid deal or remoan) and we're asked to pick one and we have to pick one
 
Bob Rathbone said:
We have to stand back and look carefully at the propaganda promoted by both sides of this argument. For trade the EU is great, but it does not respond favourably to change due to the veto system that overrides all democracy. I voted leave, but in my heart I know we would be better in a reformed EU, but as it is unable to reform, then sadly we must leave, and sadder still we MUST crash out otherwise the EU will punish us financially even more under the current proposals. I know others will disagree, that's fine by me, I respect your views. Please give my views the same respect.
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I not only repect them, i totally agree with them.

We can not expect the EU to offer us some sort of financial incentive to leave, we must make a clean break and start all over again.
 
Personally I think there needs to be second referendum.

But remain cannot be one of the options.

Think the options should be twofold. Firstly leave permanently based upon the precise terms of the deal offered. Secondly to suspend membership for say 5 years on a no deal basis with a referendum "renewal" option in 5 years
 
At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with these words:

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

They were written by Philip Kerr, later the Marquess of Lothian, who was a British diplomat and arch-appeaser in the build up to the Second World War. Like the modern Europhile zealots, he never dropped his doctrinaire outlook. Even on the eve of the Battle of Britain in 1940, he was urging Winston Churchill’s Government to reach a peace deal with Hitler’s regime.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...its-true-nature-a-federalist-monster-that-wi/

Sadly the appeaser zealots who existed in 1940 still exist today. Except today they threaten another war on europes soil just to get their way.
And still none of them would pick up a gun to defend this nation.
 
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So it appears that 'someone'...who is on a sparks forum..........disputes and doubts my understanding of finance and economics because I am retired, well educated, informed, democratic and sane....and also on a sparks forum.
If it were not so tragic it would be amusing.
Well done Einstein.
RS
 
chippie244 said:
Brexit isn't going to happen, get used to it.
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A No deal Brexit will probably happen.
It isn’t Brexit that is the problem, - it is just our predictably incompetent politicians that slow everything down.
We all have to get used to the fact we are coming out of the EU.
 
chippie244 said:
Brexit isn't going to happen, get used to it.
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So you keep saying, but two years ago you were wrong as you are now, there is no politician alive who would be brave (stupid) enough to go against the people in reality, not just talk.
 
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