Twisted earths outside junction

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by Carld, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Carld

    Carld New Member

    Hi Teki

    They're the ones in my original post, I want to replace the existing one and also add another to power patio light.

  2. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    Fifty or so years later there’s still forum members who think that lighting circuits don’t really need a circuit protective conductor to earth fittings.
  3. candoabitofmoststuff

    candoabitofmoststuff Screwfix Select

  4. Carld

    Carld New Member

  5. terrymac

    terrymac Screwfix Select

    Ok for lighting circuits.
  6. Bazza

    Bazza Screwfix Select

    Not compliant with BS 5733 then. That’s what you get if you buy cheap. Better with THESE

    you’ll not get more than a couple of cables in them either. Your existing boxes have several cables going to them.
  7. Carld

    Carld New Member

    Not bothered about price Bazza, do screwfix sell any that is compliant? Just need to replace one circular junction current three way with four way (hall light) and add another terminal three way end of line (to outside patio light wife insists upon).
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2021 at 10:24 PM
  8. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

  9. Carld

    Carld New Member

    Cheers Nomenklatura
  10. feedtaletwo

    feedtaletwo New Member

    I'm afraid I can't provide any verification of that however... it's just something I remember, but I don't know where from!
  11. Bazza

    Bazza Screwfix Select

  12. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Got me confused too.
  13. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    That makes 4 of us (I'm including feedtaletwo in my count :D)
  14. feedtaletwo

    feedtaletwo New Member

    Not acceptable in my view and requires improvement, though not immediately dangerous. Twisted connections not IMO reliable as they may in time work loose. Should be made by terminal blocks, wagos, or POSSIBLY by soldering, or other suitable means.
  15. ElecCEng

    ElecCEng Active Member

    Agree with @Comlec, “accessible” is fairly easy to interpret. If you’re having to think too hard about whether something is accessible, it probably isn’t...

    If you have to physically damage a surface or finish (e.g. cut plasterboard or flooring) then it’s not accessible. Unscrewing a panel or lifting a hatch, accessible. I would view that removing a recessed light or ceiling speaker would make the space above “accessible” whereas the space behind a pattress box is not.

    To use a plumbing analogy, if a joint was leaking water, how quickly could you get to it to repair it?

    @The Happy Builder most of those who believe no CPC on lighting are merrily fitting metallic switches as well...
  16. Bazza

    Bazza Screwfix Select

    That has already been said much earlier in the thread.
  17. ElecCEng

    ElecCEng Active Member

    What @Bazza you want people to read previous posts and use the search function???

    Next you’ll want wild statements of fact to be backed up with knowledge of the regs...

  18. Bazza

    Bazza Screwfix Select

    Perhaps I expect too much. Apologies. :D
    ElecCEng likes this.

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