Unintended consequences.......

Which side didn't understand what the result meant
?



This is what the vote was based on before the referendum.

So why are we at where we are now. ??

Its incredible to think that the leader of this country was naive enough to think that the eu wouldn't give us a deaf ear.

Also how many leavers were naive enough to think that the establishment with the help of die hard remoaners would actually respect democracy?
Not that many imo.
Post 501 says it all.
 
Here's something to mull over - JJ coming on here trying to pretend it's about summat other than xenophobia. You class act, you.

(I actually thought that 'other' post couldn't have been from you - I really didn't think you were that bad. I was wrong)
DA, you have asked me before about my reasons to leave the EU. I have told you before, my vote was about the pernicious control the EU have over a sovereign country.
We here in the U.K, might not know what's best for us, but I'm bloody sure the EU doesn't know either. ( nor do I intend for the EU to continually dictate what's best ) Anyway, that " other post" was on a completely differing subject, to do with religion and terrorism. No need to bring it into an argument about the EU, is there?
 
Which side didn't understand what the result meant
?



This is what the vote was based on before the referendum.

So why are we at where we are now. ??
Because DA, GB and Chip never saw this video, or if they did, simply believed Cameron was just another lying politician.
 
Joinerjohn1
If after everything that has been posted here ..........with links to vids, explanations, data etc has not resulted in any enlightenment or change of mind of certain people, it's probably best to hit that big beautiful block button
and just get on with discussing ideas and exchanging information with rational sane people.
regards
Rs
 
Eg. Trading with the India this would be: Very, very, very weak and lots & lots of visas (so much for your immigration control).
Pray tell us DA, what exactly a trading agreement with India, would have to do with immigration ? Perhaps you think we'd be importing street urchins from the back streets of Delhi ?
Also, you again mention sovereignty. What makes you think a trading agreement implicates a loss ( if any ) of sovereignty ?
 
Joinerjohn1
If after everything that has been posted here ..........with links to vids, explanations, data etc has not resulted in any enlightenment or change of mind of certain people, it's probably best to hit that big beautiful block button
and just get on with discussing ideas and exchanging information with rational sane people.
regards
Rs
Perhaps so RS, but I do so enjoy DA's inane, brainwashed, rantings. He blames the referendum result purely on one reason, when I have always maintained there were many valid reasons for leaving. He just cannot accept the result, so much so, he feels the need to keep on re-iterating his belief that Britain would be best served by dropping it's trousers, bending over and continue to be shafted by Brussels.
I seriously think he should seek professional help ( probably has from the same trick cyclist Anna Soubry visits twice per week)
 
Blimey, the suspects are emboldened, desperate as they are to try and convince anyone it ain't about fragile-egos, self-pity, ex-imperial jingoism and xeno. Often exposed as pure hellish racism. This 'entitlement' gained by the pure sheer chance of your place of birth and skin colour - as if that makes you special. As if you've somehow earned it.

Is there anything worth replying to in the u-s's recent posts above? Not much.

I'll spare a few seconds on Gringo (who is Gringo anyway? Phil the P? Proby? Who...?) "Its incredible to think that the leader of this country was naive enough to think that the eu wouldn't give us a deaf ear." The UK is the side wanting to Leave - you remember this, don't you? The EU project has a number of lines in the sand on which it's success and values are founded. They told the UK what they wouldn't flinch on - and some in the UK is astonished that they are sticking to it! Don't they know who we are!

(On that matter, who is HarDe? Or Dink? Or Gringo? Man, you've got some brass neck gents.)

Ah, JJ. Dear ol' JJ. He used to be a nice guy, you know. Like other blind belief systems, rabid Brexiteering can make otherwise decent folk say and do bad things. "DA, you have asked me before about my reasons to leave the EU. I have told you before, my vote was about the pernicious control the EU have over a sovereign country." Hmm, I think we can kick that wee claim down the path, can't we JJ? Or, to put it another way, I simply do not believe you. You've said and done too much horrible stuff for your cult. You have said malicious things about me both on here on on the 'other' forum. You have lost all dignity. And we all now know - without question - what you either believe or wish to believe about some other cultures. What a nerve you have to claim otherwise.

And bless li'l ol' RS - the curmudgeon of curmudgeons. The ultimate exposition of vacuous self-entitlement. His cult members post lots of vids and stuff from their weird sites, and he thinks that's all it takes; if folks don't wanna listen to that they are worthy of the block button he so claims to use (but clearly doesn't... :rolleyes:)

When discussion fails, the gaslighting, the counter-claim ("No - you're the racist!"), and even the snidely personal (whether it's to do with a PC or a windfarm... :rolleyes:)

Here's the problem, gents; you are all the same to one degree or another. You are all signed-up to this SF cyber-cult. You spray out your 'likes' to each other but, to my knowledge, have never ever taken any of your fellows to task on their comments, however extreme. And they have been. Sometimes very. Some as bad and ignorant as any I've seen on the interweb. It's vitriol, poison. It says it all about you.

Want a taster? You are welcome.


Deleted member 11267: "The reason it wasn't before is because we did not have the excrement of the world allowed to come here. They have now turned the country into a cesspit and it is only getting worse."


Fillydo: “never trust an Arab”


Fillydo: ‘that’ post that finally got him permanently banned - which Chippie screenshot and showed us recently to his seeming cost.


Deleted member 11267: "No benefit cap for them then, even though they will never contribute anything or never have."


Deleted member 11267: "This country is suffering a catastrophic pollution of immigrants/so called refugees"


Phil The spark: "We are at risk of being overrun by a plague of locusts"


Deleted member 11267: "This country is suffering a catastrophic pollution of immigrants/so called refugees."


Harry: "Being swamped with migrants soaking up our health services, overloading schools, crowding our roads."


JJ: "Anyway, did you know,,, the vast majority of moderate Muslims don't want to behead the non believers...... They want the minority of radical Muslims to do it"


JJ: "I don’t know DA. I’m just saying if they lie about their age, they may well tell lies about being a real kosher, proper refugee in the first instance. You tell me what else you think they could lie about?"


IIR: ‘Khan is more sympathetic to blacks’ on the thread about knife crime.


What are the causes of increased knife crime? Only one has been cited by Filly, IIR and Deleted member 11267 – Sadiq Khan. With zero justification – because there isn’t any.


Fillydo on Le Pen: “DA's post suggested anti-Semitism on Marine Le Pens part, I don't buy that...”

IIR on the Grenfell tragedy: “You should try harder then as should those who's decisions really matter, for they are the ones who are solely responsible for the little orphaned baby being here in the first place, just think if they had more balls, the little orphan might not actually be an orphan.” Here we find IIR blaming those who allow ‘immigrants’ in to our country for that child’s hellish death.


Deleted member 11267: “For once you are correct, why should the british taxpayer have to foot the bill for something smuggled into the country illegally.”


RS: “If any of you bleeding heart do-gooders really want to prove your worth and put your money where your mouths are, adopt an orphaned kid each.
Bring that child up in its culture and in its religion...without any help from this country, my taxes, social services..whatsoever. Any takers ? Thought not.”



And that is nowhere near a comprehensive list.

Add to this sorry list things like the grotesque Gina Miller cartoon, the Naziesque ‘Breaking Point’ poster, attempted character assassinations of the likes of Bob Geldorf!, Richard Branson, Owen Jones, Miller for the sole reason they are high-profile Remainers.

You ain't kidding anybody, my wee xenophobic group of usual suspects. Yuck. Quality bunch.


I have NO doubt whatsoever why you lot want Brexit. And it's not as you claim.

You are paranoid.
 
Blimey, the suspects are emboldened, desperate as they are to try and convince anyone it ain't about fragile-egos, self-pity, ex-imperial jingoism and xeno. Often exposed as pure hellish racism. This 'entitlement' gained by the pure sheer chance of your place of birth and skin colour - as if that makes you special. As if you've somehow earned it.

Is there anything worth replying to in the u-s's recent posts above? Not much.

I'll spare a few seconds on Gringo (who is Gringo anyway? Phil the P? Proby? Who...?) "Its incredible to think that the leader of this country was naive enough to think that the eu wouldn't give us a deaf ear." The UK is the side wanting to Leave - you remember this, don't you? The EU project has a number of lines in the sand on which it's success and values are founded. They told the UK what they wouldn't flinch on - and some in the UK is astonished that they are sticking to it! Don't they know who we are!

(On that matter, who is HarDe? Or Dink? Or Gringo? Man, you've got some brass neck gents.)

Ah, JJ. Dear ol' JJ. He used to be a nice guy, you know. Like other blind belief systems, rabid Brexiteering can make otherwise decent folk say and do bad things. "DA, you have asked me before about my reasons to leave the EU. I have told you before, my vote was about the pernicious control the EU have over a sovereign country." Hmm, I think we can kick that wee claim down the path, can't we JJ? Or, to put it another way, I simply do not believe you. You've said and done too much horrible stuff for your cult. You have said malicious things about me both on here on on the 'other' forum. You have lost all dignity. And we all now know - without question - what you either believe or wish to believe about some other cultures. What a nerve you have to claim otherwise.

And bless li'l ol' RS - the curmudgeon of curmudgeons. The ultimate exposition of vacuous self-entitlement. His cult members post lots of vids and stuff from their weird sites, and he thinks that's all it takes; if folks don't wanna listen to that they are worthy of the block button he so claims to use (but clearly doesn't... :rolleyes:)

When discussion fails, the gaslighting, the counter-claim ("No - you're the racist!"), and even the snidely personal (whether it's to do with a PC or a windfarm... :rolleyes:)

Here's the problem, gents; you are all the same to one degree or another. You are all signed-up to this SF cyber-cult. You spray out your 'likes' to each other but, to my knowledge, have never ever taken any of your fellows to task on their comments, however extreme. And they have been. Sometimes very. Some as bad and ignorant as any I've seen on the interweb. It's vitriol, poison. It says it all about you.

Want a taster? You are welcome.


Deleted member 11267: "The reason it wasn't before is because we did not have the excrement of the world allowed to come here. They have now turned the country into a cesspit and it is only getting worse."


Fillydo: “never trust an Arab”


Fillydo: ‘that’ post that finally got him permanently banned - which Chippie screenshot and showed us recently to his seeming cost.


Deleted member 11267: "No benefit cap for them then, even though they will never contribute anything or never have."


Deleted member 11267: "This country is suffering a catastrophic pollution of immigrants/so called refugees"


Phil The spark: "We are at risk of being overrun by a plague of locusts"


Deleted member 11267: "This country is suffering a catastrophic pollution of immigrants/so called refugees."


Harry: "Being swamped with migrants soaking up our health services, overloading schools, crowding our roads."


JJ: "Anyway, did you know,,, the vast majority of moderate Muslims don't want to behead the non believers...... They want the minority of radical Muslims to do it"


JJ: "I don’t know DA. I’m just saying if they lie about their age, they may well tell lies about being a real kosher, proper refugee in the first instance. You tell me what else you think they could lie about?"


IIR: ‘Khan is more sympathetic to blacks’ on the thread about knife crime.


What are the causes of increased knife crime? Only one has been cited by Filly, IIR and Deleted member 11267 – Sadiq Khan. With zero justification – because there isn’t any.


Fillydo on Le Pen: “DA's post suggested anti-Semitism on Marine Le Pens part, I don't buy that...”

IIR on the Grenfell tragedy: “You should try harder then as should those who's decisions really matter, for they are the ones who are solely responsible for the little orphaned baby being here in the first place, just think if they had more balls, the little orphan might not actually be an orphan.” Here we find IIR blaming those who allow ‘immigrants’ in to our country for that child’s hellish death.


Deleted member 11267: “For once you are correct, why should the british taxpayer have to foot the bill for something smuggled into the country illegally.”


RS: “If any of you bleeding heart do-gooders really want to prove your worth and put your money where your mouths are, adopt an orphaned kid each.
Bring that child up in its culture and in its religion...without any help from this country, my taxes, social services..whatsoever. Any takers ? Thought not.”



And that is nowhere near a comprehensive list.

Add to this sorry list things like the grotesque Gina Miller cartoon, the Naziesque ‘Breaking Point’ poster, attempted character assassinations of the likes of Bob Geldorf!, Richard Branson, Owen Jones, Miller for the sole reason they are high-profile Remainers.

You ain't kidding anybody, my wee xenophobic group of usual suspects. Yuck. Quality bunch.


I have NO doubt whatsoever why you lot want Brexit. And it's not as you claim.
Wow. You really have put a lot of time and effort into this latest smear campaign.
Bitterness is clearly a great motivator for you.
Ah well, your choice I suppose.
 
Here's something to mull over. View attachment 28486
Somebody gave you a list which included that we had to adopt the Euro by 2022 if we remained in EU, and you reposted it?!

Did it not seem a bit suspect to you that we're designing and introducing new bank notes if we're going to adopt the Euro soon?
Did it not cause you to want to actually read the treaty to find out what else they'd mangled?
Did it not cause you embarrassment that the creator of that list was on "your side"?

If I met someone on the street who told me that, then the only thing I'd be mulling over would be the fastest way to get away from the lunatic.
 
Somebody gave you a list which included that we had to adopt the Euro by 2022 if we remained in EU, and you reposted it?!

Did it not seem a bit suspect to you that we're designing and introducing new bank notes if we're going to adopt the Euro soon?
Did it not cause you to want to actually read the treaty to find out what else they'd mangled?
Did it not cause you embarrassment that the creator of that list was on "your side"?

If I met someone on the street who told me that, then the only thing I'd be mulling over would be the fastest way to get away from the lunatic.


This true based on the current deal with have.

The problem is the remain side are so desperate to remain, i wouldn't put it past them to relinquish this as part of a deal with the EU.
 
Somebody gave you a list which included that we had to adopt the Euro by 2022 if we remained in EU, and you reposted it?!

Did it not seem a bit suspect to you that we're designing and introducing new bank notes if we're going to adopt the Euro soon?
Did it not cause you to want to actually read the treaty to find out what else they'd mangled?
Did it not cause you embarrassment that the creator of that list was on "your side"?

If I met someone on the street who told me that, then the only thing I'd be mulling over would be the fastest way to get away from the lunatic.
That's all well and good, bt.
But, what we'd all like to know is;
Are you getting it yet?
A decisive 'yes', or 'no' would really be helpful, on saying that I do think a 'yes' would be the best approach as that would shut the underminer down once and for all.

Hopefully?

So what say you?
 
Wow. You really have put a lot of time and effort into this latest smear campaign.
Bitterness is clearly a great motivator for you.
Ah well, your choice I suppose.

If posting the actual words of the rabid Brexiteers on this forum is 'smear', then so be it. I've smeared - big time.

No bitterness - just genuine concern for my country, and disappointment/despair at some of its population.

As for the 'effort' - it was worth it. And you are very welcome.
 
Pray tell us DA, what exactly a trading agreement with India, would have to do with immigration ? Perhaps you think we'd be importing street urchins from the back streets of Delhi ?
Also, you again mention sovereignty. What makes you think a trading agreement implicates a loss ( if any ) of sovereignty ?

Dare I bother? To someone to whom the questions he poses are of no concern to him?

Och well, here we go. When we go - from a position of extreme weakness and fragility - to the likes of India, what will they expect of us in return? Almost certainly 'Visas', amongst other things. For someone of your innate racist vibes, JJ, you will wish for the days of freedom of movement between us and the EU.

Sovereignty? Are you kidding me?! Whenever we 'make a deal', we effectively lose 'sovereignty'. We have to do what the other side tells us as part of that agreement. India and visas will quite likely be a biggie.

You will wish for the 'loss' of 'sovereignty' we had with the EU, what with it's shared values and benefits.

Jeepers.
 
You bothered to respond to that drivel.

Ho hum - if posting the actual words of the rabid Brexiteers - which includes you - on this forum is 'drivel', then so be it. I've drivelled - big time.

And you are welcome.
 
Dare I bother? To someone to whom the questions he poses are of no concern to him?

Och well, here we go. When we go - from a position of extreme weakness and fragility - to the likes of India, what will they expect of us in return? Almost certainly 'Visas', amongst other things. For someone of your innate racist vibes, JJ, you will wish for the days of freedom of movement between us and the EU.

Sovereignty? Are you kidding me?! Whenever we 'make a deal', we effectively lose 'sovereignty'. We have to do what the other side tells us as part of that agreement. India and visas will quite likely be a biggie.

You will wish for the 'loss' of 'sovereignty' we had with the EU, what with it's shared values and benefits.

Jeepers.



Pure speculation.

How about the Billion pound a year we give them in aid, do You think there would risk it.??
 
IIR said 'pure speculation' without wetting himself with 'rony. Presumably.
 
Your europhile and fabian society ex mp has really brainwashed and groomed you donnie.
You really do need to get some counselling.
 
Ho hum - if posting the actual words of the rabid Brexiteers - which includes you - on this forum is 'drivel', then so be it. I've drivelled - big time.

And you are welcome.


I did see a reference to me a reference that I still stand by.

If Khan spent as much time looking into black knifings as he does poking his nose into Brexit, things might not be so bad.
 
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