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Ryluer said:
The majority of jobs labour created in their last term was public sector jobs which ultimately suck the life blood from UK PLC.
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That will be Tony Blair's legacy, oh that and a small war. :rolleyes:
 
proby said:
Would that be the war that killed more lracis than sadam and led to the rise of is
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Yep that's the one, don't forget the £Millions he's gone on to make out of it, some would say, he is worse than those he got rid of.

Still when they finally release the findings of the Chilcot inquiry, he will be serving time at her majestys pleasure along with a few others.
 
As someone who has dealt with financial affairs from age 17 to 61.5 years. I still cannot get my head round the argument that public expenditure needs to be cut . Please be assured I am not trying to be rude or funny. Consider this :-
You and I pay Income Tax , National Insurance VAT & other taxes.
The government or public sector pays someone to **** about in a "non-job" at a salary of £50,000.
Add employers' National Insurance say £10,000 total cost £60,000.
Deduct Income Tax & National Insurance guess £20,000
Take home pay £40000
If they were unemployed cost to exchequer guess £10000 £30000
So the overall cost has gone down to half already
If the employee spends all the £40000 he might pay taxes such as VAT & other taxes of £5000
So net cost is now £25000
If he does not save this , particulary not offshore, then this money will circulate through
the economy increasing GDP and increasing the tax payments made by all those through whose hand's
this same money passes . So why does the Tory or any other government want to cut
public expenditure? It does not seem to make any difference! Granted if the employee actually did something productive it would
presumably be better. I know this approach has not worked in Greece but there possibly not everyone paid the tax they should. Can anyone tell me where I am wrong?
 
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Re, the above If tax evaders & avoiders such as non-doms. and the big international corporations who switch profits to a low or non tax countries get hold of the money then the argument falls down but that is another matter.

Nothing is ever as simple as people including a lot of politicians think.:)
 
So on that argument it would be better to employ all the unemployed in the public sector so the money would circulate back to the treasury. Always supposing somebody pays it in in the first place. But like you said it didn't work in Greece either.
 
proby said:
So on that argument it would be better to employ all the unemployed in the public sector so the money would circulate back to the treasury. Always supposing somebody pays it in in the first place. But like you said it didn't work in Greece either.
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It wasn't an argument just something that I cannot get my head round. I cannot be right can I?
 
And on your figures £10000 employers national insurance, guess who pays that.
 
Don't know how anyone can vote labour. All they ever do is create high taxes and discourage entrepreneurialship and generally make a mess of the economy that sensible governments like the conservatives takes decades to remedy.
Yes more austerity is on the way thanks to bliar and his blinkered socialist supporters.
The party time is over.
All hail the magnificent tories. And of course this time it is 100% tory rule.
No limp dems to pander too. Fantastic.
 
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Ryluer said:
Don't know how anyone can vote labour. All they ever do is create high taxes and discourage entrepreneurialship and generally make a mess of the economy that sensible governments like the conservatives takes decades to remedy.
Yes more austerity is on the way thanks to bliar and his blinkered socialist supporters.
The party time is over.
All hail the magnificent tories. And of course this time it is 100% tory rule.
No limp dems to pander too. Fantastic.
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You won't be saying that when he puts your income tax up by 5% and calls it 'Scottish Levy' !!!!

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
 
Yes well its looks like the scots * could be holding us all to ransom.
No fault of the tories.
To pay off the debt we've accumulated the income tax rate would probably need to be about 50%.


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Too right Ryluer. I think the SNP were depending on Labour having a good showing in the results. <iliband couldn't state he would enter a coalition with the SNP because he'd have virtually sold all of his Scottish MP's down the Clyde. As it was I think he sold them down the river anyway (mind you the after dinner speakers circuit beckons for him now and like his predecessor Blair, I'm sure he'll make enough money to see him through to retirement age) (either that or he could get a "real job" stacking shelves at Lidl or Aldi) :p:p:p:p
 
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

More peeps who've fallen for the Tory's scaremongering that Labour would be held to ransom by the SNP.

That is what they call a pernicious lie.

If anyone on here really believes that the SNP could have done this, give an example of a policy they could force Labour to take their line on.
 
DA I never said the SNP would hold Labour to ransom (but I do believe the SNP will try to hold the government to ransom (specially on the idea of an EU referendum.))
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

More peeps who've fallen for the Tory's scaremongering that Labour would be held to ransom by the SNP.

That is what they call a pernicious lie.

If anyone on here really believes that the SNP could have done this, give an example of a policy they could force Labour to take their line on.
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Too many to mention. Just imagine how desperate Labour would be when there is 'No money left'!


Mr. HandyAndy - Really
 
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