What a feckless, spinless, useless, dithering,blithering wreck..

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Captain Leaky, Aug 7, 2008.

  1. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

  2. The South

    The South Member

    hey, that's my dad! leave him alone!!


    no, not seriously. sorry.
  3. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    Ok, he's not my fav guy, but I think you'll find all the fuss is down to the media - they're the ones who are peddling this carp (along with the Tories, I believe, who were the first to drop this suggestion into play).

    Darling babe said nothing contentious - it's all media speculation. He was asked if it was going to happen, and he replied they would look at a number of things - but he wouldn't comment on this specifically.

    What the **** else was he meant to say?! IF he was considering it, then he could hardly say he "wasn't".

    If twits want to cause themselves anguish over this (taking their cue from the Daily Mail, and its ilk) then they deserve everything they get.


    Frankly, I'm a bit fed up with all this house-buying carp. Since when was a house meant to be an investment, anyway? Why can't it just be a 'normal' purchase like a car?

    If people are struggling with their mortgages, it's for one simple reason - they overstretched themselves. Interest rates are still pretty low at 5% - if you can't manage on that, then tough. Think back to when it was 15%+...

    WHY should the government bail out overstretched house-twits? Hey, I'm struggling with the finances of my car - please can I have a road tax holiday?! ***.
  4. limestone cowboy

    limestone cowboy New Member

    I’m sort of agreeing with devs here. Property is massively overvalued and is due for a price correction. It has to happen. If first time buyers are priced out of the market, then the market stops working. Any Government tinkering could distort the market and make the problem worse, as has been demonstrated by even the rumour of tinkering (article in first post). Why have people continued to borrow more than their property is worth to spend on cr*p, even though there has been talk of a crash for ages, and the last crash was only about 15 years ago? It’s a shame for them, but at least first time buyers may be in with a chance.

    But the best bit from the article in the first post is: ‘Furious estate agents’.

    Say it again slowly. Furious … estate … agents.

    To quote another purveyor of cr*p, I’m lovin’ it.
  5. HOTDOG ø

    HOTDOG ø Active Member

    You can defend him all you like DA.

    The point is that the story is out there and he is dithering about it...as usual!

    All he had to say was that he has no plans to scrap stamp duty and people would carry on as normal!
  6. HOTDOG ø

    HOTDOG ø Active Member

    Its the old story - is the government in control of events or are events controlling the government?

    I don't think Darling is in control of anything, and as for Broon he has lost control completely.

    Sad really as I think Broon is a decent man floundering out of his depth.
  7. Realistic

    Realistic New Member

    Oh get real, ***.
  8. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

    Has Darling ever done anything that inspires confidence?


  9. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    HOTDAWG, believe me - I've got no particular inclination to defend Darling or Brown. I dislike them both (espec the dysfunctional Brown).

    However, when Darling didn't start the moronic speculation, why SHOULD he say he's got "no plans to scrap stamp duty" and people would carry on as normal?! After all, he may very well have plans to do this in the future.

    Damned if he did, and damned if he didn't. What COULD he have said under the circumstances?!

    I can't wait for the bumbling Brown to be turfed out, but I will defend them against blatantly misguided and unfair comment.
  10. HOTDOG ø

    HOTDOG ø Active Member

    I agree, they did not start the story... BUT they can't even speak from the same script can they!

    ...and now the story is in the press ( and, yes being whipped up by the press) they need to get back in control, which patently they are incapable of doing. :(
  11. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    That's sadly true :(

    They are so-o-o incompetent, that the media are now falling over themselves to trip them up even further and make even bigger fools of them.

    It's not a pretty sight...
  12. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    Anyways, it'll soon be over - Milliband is on the case :)

    (Cue mega groans from half the forum users :D)
  13. The Trician

    The Trician New Member

    God Help Us if he is.

    The twaaaat's a Bliar Clone, full of spin, and empty of substance.

    Whilst the uncertainty in the housing market means *-all to me, the bigger picture suggests that we presently have a Govt suffering from an overall bout of acute paralysis in terms of major decision-making.

    This dithering - call it whatever else you like D/A - is not Good For The Country in anyone's language.


    Whilst I have no sympathy with the idiots who have overstretched themselves when buying their second homes - especially for rental purposes, the British people do not like the smack of weak and ineffectual leadership, of which 'dithering' is one of the many symptoms.

    Decisions have to be made - even wrong ones.

    Make the decision, and live or die by it.

    Even the wrong ones have a habit of coming right in the end.

    The key is to actually make a damned decision in the first place.

    Let us have some firm Government -and permit the electorate to judge after the event.

    Problem is; Brown's surrounded himself with a threat-free (to his leadership) environment through the election of a ineffectual and weak Cabinet full of pseudo-intellectuals..

    So no hope there........


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  14. HOTDOG ø

    HOTDOG ø Active Member

  15. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    Hmm, it does sound like a typical Brownism.

    Realistically, just what do you think Darling should have said, TT? He was asked a straight-forward question, and gave an honest (gasp!) answer - the only honest one he could have. Look! No spin!!!

    So, were the tabloids grateful for his honesty? Of course not.

    So, what did the tabloids say? And what would they have said if he'd said any of the other options?

    Yep, variations of the same. 'Cos it's open season on the government (fair enough :()

    But, try and be more balanced, TT - don't base your criticisms on tabloid fodder.

    Or are you saying that the Treasury's agenda should be dictated by tabloids?

    He should have said something different 'cos there are twits out there?
  16. HOTDOG ø

    HOTDOG ø Active Member

    He should have said:

    "there will be no stamp duty holiday"

    Full stop, end of story.
  17. The Trician

    The Trician New Member

    Indeed he should have.

    So what's the score? And given that it was caused by those global forces totally beyond the control of our innocent victim rulers, what have Mssrs Brown and Darling done about shielding us from its effects?

    First up, the global score is much better than the headlines and our politicos would suggest. When last sighted (Q1), average growth across the G7 economies was still running at an annualised rate of 2%. Even the much predicted US recession still hasn't arrived, with Q2 growth annualising at 2%.

    And unemployment, while increasing, was still only 5.7% - significantly lower than the average for the noughties as a whole. True, inflation looks more worrying, with year-on-year CPI inflation kicking up to 3.5% (year to May). But globally, this ain't yet the 1970s, let alone the 1930s.

    So with such a pussycat global background, how have Brown and Darling been doing? Let's run through some of their triumphs over the year:

    * Disaster at the Crock - dithering and wishful thinking turned a regulatory malfunction into a blank cheque drawn on taxpayers, and undermined confidence in our banks (and don't forget who "designed" that hopeless regulatory system in the first place)

    * Fiscal Horlicks - dithering and flip-flopping on the 10p tax rate, fuel duty, and VED have made a looming fiscal crisis even worse; and as George Osborne keeps saying, there is nothing put by for our rainy day

    * Housing melt-down - Darling's latest genius idea was to drop heavy hints he was going to cut stamp duty, thus putting the final boot into a market already doubled up in agony on the floor: he's now flip-flopped, but of course the damage has been done. Doh! The Halifax house price index is now clocking an 11% fall year on year - the biggest fall ever recorded.

    Labour governments always seem to end like this. They keep flushing our money down the toilet until there's an horrific blowback. At which point we all get covered in ordure and have to get the emergency plumber, at £200 call-out, plus £200 per hour.

    So. Who voted for these people again?
    Time they were gone.

  18. The Trician

    The Trician New Member

    PS: During yesterday's desperate attempt to stuff the Treasury's Stamp Duty gaff back into the bottle, the main government spokesman appeared to be John McFall, the Chairman of the Commons Treasury Select Committee. We all know that McFall is a Labour MP, but in his role as Chairman of the Treasury Committee he's meant to provide some independent scrutiny of government policy. This is not the first time he has been wheeled out to defend the government, and we should be asking ourselves whether this is what we're paying him to do.

    Never mind, he will be gone soon - along with the rest of his incompetent buffoons.


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