Why are leavers such numpties

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by chippie244, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    Why dont you try reading what I have written on this.

    We will leave the EU. Thats all the ref said.

    But the terms need to be decided.

    And sadly for the Brexiteers they cant just add anything they want in to the democratic mandate after the ballot papers were issued.

    That pretty much is what they have been pushing for.
  2. Joe95

    Joe95 Screwfix Select

    Just so I've got this clear.

    You want remainers to keep quiet until mid 2019. Then we can voice our opinions.

    Does that not sound like the complete opposite of democracy?
  3. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

  4. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    No but a binary choice in a referendum is pure democracy, in or out, yes or no, everybody who voted knew the terms and you can't plead that your democratic rights are being restricted when the people who voted leave have not even seen theres implemented
  5. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    GB, I was goaded into replying. Chip started with the insults/ insulting posts. ( copying someone else by the look of it) Yes, I should have rose above it, but didn’t. You’re quite correct Brexit has changed some people. I’m also sure most of the insults are started by those in the remain camp, as opposed to the Brexiteers.
  6. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    Are you being deliberately obtuse?

    I accept we will leave. Said that repeatedly.

    Doesnt mean we as a nation should simply and meekly accept what a narrow cabal of Tory Brexiteers decide is best without any form of discussion.
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  7. Joe95

    Joe95 Screwfix Select

    Accept what is going on and keep quiet 'for the good of democracy'

    That very statement contradicts itself!
  8. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    as you said you accept the vote and you should respect the opinions of your fellow country men show a bit of humility and get over it
  9. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    I believe the nation (govt) are currently discussing it with the EU commission and the 27 member states, I strongly suspect, you won't be consulted, but hey, don't be offended by that, they probably won't consult me either.
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  10. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    No it was clear even from the prime minster at the time to leave the EU meant leaving the customs union and the single market, the remainers are the ones trying to muddy the waters on this issue to remain in the CU and SM would be remaining in the EU
  11. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    Straw man argument mate.

    If you want to actually follow pure democracy, the ref was to leave the EU. And that only.

    Customs Union? No mention.

    Free movement? No mention.

    Are you sure you want the exact terms of the ref followed?

    Particularly as it was actually only an advisory and a non-binding ref.

    I agree that the nation spoke and we will leave the EU. Everything else is up for grabs.

    You cannot just impose what you believe the ref meant to you.

    Thats what the Tory Brexiteers are trying to do.
  12. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    Off the high horse and on with the boots I see.
  13. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    Not really, I've accepted, whether or not I'm in agreement, any Government that has been democratically elected, it's life.
  14. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    GB, I have noticed your failure to castigate chip for slinging insults about. Do I take this as some sort of tacit endorsement of his actions ?
  15. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    You seem to always be looking for someone to blame dont you.

    EU, low wage migrants, Remainers etc etc.

    Perhaps the answer actually lies within.
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  16. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    Ha ok all this fuss, let just ignore 17million people in a advisory referendum, if you think any government would have the bottle to do that you don't understand politics too well
  17. Joe95

    Joe95 Screwfix Select

    The referendum gave a binary choice. Leaving the EU is not a binary choice, but a process.

    It's not a bloody light switch.
  18. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    Absolutely. Many seem to only like democracy when it aligns with their own views.
  19. Joe95

    Joe95 Screwfix Select

    So because of 17 million people voting 'Leave', 16 million people who voted 'Remain' don't get a say?
  20. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    You are the one who is advocating pure democracy chum.

    Stick to the terms of the ref.

    You cant cherry pick bits of democracy you like only.

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