Wellwisher
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Indeed. If they came with wall warts they are clearly designed to plug into power circuits not lighting circuits.
Wiring 13A socket on lighting circuit
- Thread starter Peter Hatfield
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Shows us the reg saying they can't. Bazza just posted the reg saying they can
No they are not. They are designed to plug into BS1363 sockets. Everyone else’s standard is BS7671, which does not define the type of circuit a BS1363 socket has to be connected to, the only mention is Bazza-spark’s quote in post #51, although how a simple question that just required a single word of “yes” got to 51 posts is beyond me.
Wellwisher
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Why don’t you think instead of insulting those that do? Anyone with half a brain cell can see that putting a 13a load on a 6a circuit shared with lights is not a good idea.
DBCDIY
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Whatever happened to common sense? Slavishly following B.S. regulations doesn't automatically make something safe, anyway.
For instance:
Loophole in BS 1363
*There is a problem in BS 1363 which allows extension sockets to be manufactured with the earth hole placed too close to the edge. Most multi-way portable socket outlets exploit this loophole and permit the insertion of an inverted plug into the earth pin only, thus opening the shutters of the current carrying contacts. This is a clear danger to inquisitive kids ...as can be seen from the pics.
Hopefully, Peter Hatfield, by now you're enjoying your new strip lights and have told all your relatives not to plug a car charger into the socket!
* (info/pics courtesy of PlugSafe - a voluntary group of professional electrical engineers).
For instance:
Loophole in BS 1363
*There is a problem in BS 1363 which allows extension sockets to be manufactured with the earth hole placed too close to the edge. Most multi-way portable socket outlets exploit this loophole and permit the insertion of an inverted plug into the earth pin only, thus opening the shutters of the current carrying contacts. This is a clear danger to inquisitive kids ...as can be seen from the pics.
Hopefully, Peter Hatfield, by now you're enjoying your new strip lights and have told all your relatives not to plug a car charger into the socket!
* (info/pics courtesy of PlugSafe - a voluntary group of professional electrical engineers).
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Your evidence to support this being?
Wellwisher
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A good example in @DBCDIY post just 3 above.
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No, it isn't. That is a multiblock extension. The OP is referring to a 13A socket.
Try again, no chocolate bar this time.
Wellwisher
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It is an example of BS regs making a mistake.
Tuxmark2
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WildCat
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Like cooking steak
I like mine rare.
Tuxmark2
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I like mine paid for by someone else.
Coloumb
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I would still agree that bs1363-2 sox are allowed on lighting ctts but I'm not convinced that Reg 559.5.1 specifically allows this. The reg is chapter 55 in the 559 LUMINAIRES AND LIGHTING INSTALLATIONS which applies to the selection and erection of luminaires and lighting installations intended to be part of the fixed installation, so I would say a socket can only be fitted to a lighting ctt. IF the socket is to be used as a lighting point. In other words, the expectation is that only luminaires and lighting installations are going to be plugged into it.
Tuxmark2
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Surely putting clear sticker on it will indicate its purpose and maybe a warning tag, its how I've done the few I have, I get where your coming from though as in a socket inside a suspended ceiling isn't accessible by say a cleaner who wants to plug in a vacuum cleaner, however on top of a wall cupboard would also make it inaccessible.
Coloumb
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Yea I agree with a sticker that's fine and there is no specific reg that doesn't allow a socket to be fitted to a lights ctt. but I'm not convinced that 559.5.1 would allow sox to be fitted specifically to a lighting ctt. for anything other except to power lights, except in conditions as you say.
I mean if it really bothers then fit a 3a fcu and feed a sox off that.
malbec4
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The regs do indeed make mistakes. They once forgot to include RCD connection units and sockets as a means of additional protection. But that was corrected.
However, I've just looked up 559.5.1 from the 2008 regs (I keep such things because I'm sentimental. I like to remember how things were in the good 'ol days). And it was in there then.
So for the best part of 20 years, the IET have kept the same mistake. I don't think so.
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No it isn't. It's an example of a poorly made product, nothing to do with 7671.
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Wouldn't expect you to agree. Anything for an argument aren't you.
Somebody that says sox for sockets and ctt for circuit must be right - not.
Coloumb
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Not my fault you can't be bothered to read the regs properly.