Bypass valve heating rads

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by Iain MacLeod, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. Iain MacLeod

    Iain MacLeod New Member

    Finally got round to pulling up the floors and tracing enough of the pipes to make some sense of what's there (there's a substantial piece of pipework in a fully enclosed void, with no access hatch, above the boiler that I can't get to without wrecking her - decorated - kitchen).

    The system has a common return with the heating in multiple loops coming off a 22mm feed with 15mm returns. The general layout is the same as that shown in the idealboilers pdf in the first post of this thread, section 12, open vent with the twin motor valves instead of the 3 way valve, with the exception of the bypass valve location, which is installed just after the pump, and before the two valves. I think I read somewhere the bypass valve should be as far from the boiler as possible, or did I imagine that? If so why would the schematic it show it closest?

    All the CH returns are closer to the boiler than the cylinder return, and the bypass valve (both of which can be seen in the photo above) which seems at odds to the 3Ts rule I read about. Does that mean it's inevitable that there will be some degree of reverse circulation when the HW only is on? If so, then the reverse circulation is not the end of the world, what's a genuine PITA is the extent to which air gets in the system. There's substantial air within days of bleeding all the rads and venting the cylinder I thought this might due to some issue with the vent and cold feed, however they are close coupled just before the pump, which seems to be allowed in section 10 of the boiler manual, and they have plenty of head.

    If the boiler is switched from 'low' to 'high' on it's front panel it's very noisy, loads of air/creaks and bangs from the system - makes me wonder if the bypass valve was set with it on 'low'.

    Does anyone have any final words of wisdom before we try and find a professional to look at it?
     
  2. Iain MacLeod

    Iain MacLeod New Member

    Powerflushed the system with a DIY rig and got quite a bit of sludge/limescale out, enough to let the boiler run normally for the first time in the last couple of years, even on high output.

    Final dilemma is whether to put up with the reverse circulation - these guys clearly never heard of the 3Ts rule - or install one way valves in several branches. I expect they'd have a reasonable service life, and if fitted as close as possible to the main feed pipes the likelihood of silt in the pipe should be minimised (impossible to flush in both directions in future).
     
  3. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

  4. Iain MacLeod

    Iain MacLeod New Member

    Southend/Westcliff
     
  5. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    Is that south London
     
  6. Iain MacLeod

    Iain MacLeod New Member

  7. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    I can do that, I'm Portsmouth,

    100% conclusive identification & solution
     
  8. Iain MacLeod

    Iain MacLeod New Member

    Thanks for the offer, but I can see what the issue is, it's not worth the money to have it fixed "properly". It's either a case of putting up with warm rads on summer mornings or fitting some one way valves.
     
  9. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    I doubt that very much, there's a 1000 things it could be depending on your system & contributing factors.
    Thought you said you will get a pro in?
    I'm very very good and can give you a definitive diagnostics.
    Good luck
     
  10. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    I fit & design high spec clients systems all around cobham, oxshott, crown estate, Surrey etc.
    Been doing this 20 yrs, I know what plumbers are out there too,
    Was only trying to help you out as I genuinely enjoy it,
    All the best
     
  11. Iain MacLeod

    Iain MacLeod New Member

    Thanks, I appreciate everyone's input and help.
     
  12. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

  13. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    There's are last few jobs
     
  14. sam spade

    sam spade Active Member

    Westcliffe is 120 miles from Portsmouth. It would take about three hours to get there.

    Must be desperate for work. :rolleyes:
     

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