Can you cut into the Timber behind the Door Lining?

Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by Harps69, Aug 20, 2015.

  1. Harps69

    Harps69 New Member

    Hi,

    We need to increase the opening height to fit some doors.

    There is timber going round the opening - roughly
    40mm thick and is behind where the door lining is
    secured. Please see photo.

    Would it be possible to remove some of this timber
    behind the door lining at the top so we can increase
    the height of the door opening?
    or is this timber supporting the blocks/wall above?
     

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  2. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    You will need to install a proper lintel, because I can see that blockwork dropping, also the weight of the block work will cause the head of the door frame sag, so doors will stick, drag.

    What the width of the doorway.

    Either a prestressed concrete lintel, might even get away with a metal corrugated lintel, but that depends on the width of doorway & overall loading.
     
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  3. Harps, you need someone on site who knows what they are doing - to check if that wall is supporting anything in the floor above.

    If that wall is NOT a load-bearing wall - and I hope it isn't, since it has no proper lintel - then you could remove the concrete blocks above the door and move that top frame rail upwards.

    But do not do that unless you are 100% certain it isn't load-bearing.

    Anyways, the usual thing to do is to trim down the new door to fit...
     
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  4. Harps69

    Harps69 New Member

    The width of the door opening is 30 inches.

    Are there any 35mm thick doors which you can trim?
    we only need to cut off 30mm in height. The response
    from the shops is you can only cut a few mm off each side.
     
  5. GrahamTaylor

    GrahamTaylor Active Member

    You can trim pretty much any 35mm door by 30mm.

    If it is a hollow panel door you may find that you have removed most or all of the bottom frame member in which case you just make a new one and tap it in using a good quality glue to hold everything together. Put clamps on until the glue is set.

    If you take 15mm off top and bottom you should still have some frame left but may well hit the pins that they use to hold the frame together whilst making the door. Just be prepared for a lot of sparks of your saw blade (eye protection) and cut slowly.

    If it's a solid door there's nothing to stop you taking a lot off.

    If you read the blurb that comes with most doors you can't do anything without invalidating the warranty - that's just to protect the manufacturer but you can still do it. Just at your risk.

    Changing the door liner seems like a case of 'tail wagging the dog' and would certainly be a lot more work / mess and might have real risks associated with it.
     
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  6. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    DAs answer is the way to go and a whole lot easier than cutting to door down then fitting a new infill to it.
     
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  7. dwlondon

    dwlondon Active Member

    It looks like a standard bit of build, where the section above the door is fitted onto the timber noggin. It may be blocks or bricks and plaster that can be removed and you can put in the old noggin or a new one higher up. I have done this on a whole house following a loft conversion, where all the fire doors had to remain as they were manufactured. ie no trimmings.
     
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  8. Harps69

    Harps69 New Member

    Thank you for the replies, I appreciate
    your experience/ideas.

    Will get someone out to have a look and
    decide which way to go from there.
     

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