CH: hot water working but no heating

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by JasonR, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. JasonR

    JasonR New Member

    HI all,

    I have an archaic central heating system, but it's been working well until now....

    I have a Potterton EP2000 controller mated to a Switchmaster thermostat which controls the Potterton Flamingo 40 boiler.

    The boiler appears to be fine switching on to hot water demands and providing plenty of hot water to the hot water tank however the CH/radiators do not get warm. I've set the 'stat to maximum heat and can hear the on and off clicks however I don't hear the boiler fire up - I've tried the override button on the controller but that doesn't cause the boiler to start either.

    My assumption is that the thermostat isn't working correctly but I have no idea what wires do what as I'd like to replace the mechanical one with a programmable digital one - or am I looking in the wrong place and really ought to get a professional in?

    Regards,

    Jason

    The 'stat and internals:
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  2. You've probably not had any replies as you haven't provided enough information.
    You say the system is archaic so what does that mean? Is the hot water a gravity system with only the heating pumped?
    Are both the hot water and the heating pumped? If both are pumped do you have a three port valve or two two port valves. What size shoes do you wear and what is your inside leg measurement? Over to you.
    Edit: Never assume . . . .
     
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  3. JasonR

    JasonR New Member

    Fair enough!

    Archaic...the system is probably as old as the house, about 20 years!

    I think it's a gravity fed system (two tanks in the loft) with a cylinder in the airing cupboard. The heating is pumped but the hot water isn't.

    Size 9, 32" :D
     
  4. Two tanks in the loft is a vented system. At 20 years old there's a good chance that it's a fully (ie hot water and heating) pumped system. So somewhere or other there will be some valves. Either zone valves x 2 or a three port valve. Have a look on the screwfix site to see what they look like. Zone valves are often near the boiler and the three port valve is often in the airing cupboard. Sometimes some moronic plumber has hidden them away (like under the chuffin floor in one instance). When you've found them report back. Once I know what you've got I'll be able to give you some pointers.
     
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  5. JasonR

    JasonR New Member

  6. Those are zone valves. When the cyl stat or the room stat calls for heat it sends power to the motor in the relevant valve which opens the valve and once the valve is almost open operates a micro switch to power the pump and boiler. The fact that the hot water is working indicates that the pump and boiler are OK so that leaves the CH zone valve. Either it is not opening at all (stuck or failed motor) or the microswitch has failed.
    Edit or the room stat is faulty and no power is reaching the valve.
     
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  7. JasonR

    JasonR New Member

    Okay, thanks :)

    Is there a way I can test which is at fault? For example, using a multimeter I can do a continuity check on the stat to see that that's operating correctly or check that the voltage is appearing at the zone valve? (The only issue I can is I can't tell what is what on the stat wiring!)
     
  8. Jason, yes, it should be fairly easy to test the wiring using a voltmeter - provided you don't kill yourself.

    What you do need to watch out for is the strange wiring of your 'stat and the coloured wires which don't make much sense...

    Looking at your 2nd photo in your first post, can you confirm that the terminals are marked;
    Term 3 BLUE
    Term 2 YELLOW
    Term 5 EARTH
    Term 1 RED

    If so, then the best info I can find says that Term 1 (RED) is the LIVE supply to the 'stat (yippee - that makes sense :))

    Do bear in mind that this will (should) only become 'live' when your timer/programmer switches the CH 'on'. So, you can turn on your timer and test for 240V across Term 1 and 'earth'.

    Then it goes all stupid. Term 2, afaIk, is the NEUTRAL to the 'stat - even tho' it's a yellow wire. You can confirm by testing for 240V across terms 1 and 2 - live and neutral. This Term 2 should always be 'neutral'.

    That leaves Term 3 (blue wire) which is - I believe - your 'switched live'. This terminal should become 'live' whenever you turn your 'stat dial up until it goes 'click' and calls for heat. It should go 'dead' when you turn your 'stat back down.

    Yes, I know it's coloured blue... It should really have a red sleeve (even tape) around it to show it can become 'live'.

    I may possibly have got terms 2 and 3 the wrong way around, but I don't think so. (It is more 'usual' to make the neutral wire 'blue' and the switched live 'yellow', but even that is not perfect as all wires which could become 'live' should have red tape on them, and the neutral - with these old wiring colours - should have 'black' tape.)

    If you turn on your timer to provide power to the room 'stat and first test for power across the Term 1 (RED) and 'earth' to confirm power, then move the 'earth' probe on to Terms 2 and 3 in turn - only one should also show 240V, and that is the 'neutral', which hopefully is Term 2 (YELLOW)

    If that's all good, then move the probes to 'earth' and Term 3 and check that 240V appears every time you turn your 'stat up, and offski when down.

    If that seems ok, then you've pretty much discounted the 'stat as being the problem.

    Next step will be to check your motorised valve - see if it makes a noise (whirr) when you turn your 'stat up and down.

    The motorised valves also have a manual control lever which you can use to 'force' it open and make the boiler come on - we'll come to that if needed.
     
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  9. JasonR

    JasonR New Member

    Cheers DA - I'll give it a looksee :)
     
  10. JasonR

    JasonR New Member

    Thanks to you both - I'm going to replace the heating zone valve later today. Sorry for such a delay for the reply, I was working at MotoGP :D
     

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