Fire place project!

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  1. g4rfr81

    g4rfr81 Member

    Hi all, just brought my first home and wanting to make it my own, thought i'd like to open up the fireplace in order to later install a wood burner, i've tried to include pics of what ive got and the sort of thing i'd like to achieve and wondered if i can get pro advice on if its possible and what sort of a price i could look at to have the work done! Was hoping to open the fireplace up myself but realised its had some work done so thought it needs a pro's touch to put in a new lentil! It had a gas fire there origanally so has the thin pipe going up the chimney!
    Thanks for any and all help you can give. Screenshot_2016-03-12-18-02-44-1.png 20160312_171908-1.jpg 20160312_171908-1.jpg Screenshot_2016-03-12-18-02-44-1.png
     
  2. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    I did my own a few years ago. Good tip before you start digging depending on the flue you have is too drill a hole high up straight through the flue and then push in some reinforcing bar.
    The whole flue section could land inside you living room otherwise.
    I never did it but with hindsight now I was chancing fate.

    I did the entire opening with formwork and poured in a concrete mix. Then painted with emulsion.
    I don't like beams embedded into the mortar like that. Too much movement and cracking will take place.
     
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  3. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    All in all it looks similar to my own set up.
     
  4. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    There's a special heat plaster resisting from purmichos, stoves can throw out a lot of heat and and crack the plaster. Good improvement but though.
     
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  5. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    And the timber will take a real roasting. Especially with a dry stove.
    Should probably be a heat deflector below.
     
  6. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    This is how my project turned out.. and heats 4 rooms in total.
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    The corbels have sliding dovetails to accept the beam.:)
     
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  8. g4rfr81

    g4rfr81 Member

    Do you have any links that can help me with like the reg's for the lintel requirements, how to do the work, just any thing that can help me out! Im new to DIY home projects!
     
  9. g4rfr81

    g4rfr81 Member

    Did you do all the work yourself or get trades in to do it? I just dont know where to start do you have any links that could help me move forward with my project, cheers! Really like the final look
     
  10. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    Part J here.. solid fuel starts about page 35 I think...
    http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_J_2013.pdf

    Yes .. did all my self, including skimmimg the walls, laying new wood floor, plumbing and electrics.

    The register plate was simplified because the concrete left a level base with the bottom lip of the flue. The vitreaous enamel flue then just pushed up inside and I made a large compression flange on my lathe to make the seal.
     
  11. DIYDave.

    DIYDave. Screwfix Select

    [QUOTE="g4rfr81, post: 1405671, member: 157509"

    had some work done so thought it needs a pro's touch to put in a new lentil!



    Can't offer you any sensible advice I'm afraid but I would suggest that you use a "lintel" as opposed to a "lentil"

    Don't think that either a red, green or even a Puy would hold up your brickwork ! Good luck though
     
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  12. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    Th only thing I may do different is to do away with the corner angled beads and put in a curved corner instead, will look better. Hard to do as a former will need to be made, maybe a 50mm radius. Oak can react badly to plaster when wet.
     
  13. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

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    Ryluer Well-Known Member

  15. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    This is the compression ring from underneath. It has a 60 degree V so when it tightens the fire rope is compressed against the flue. Bolted on with a plate with an asbestos type gasket for sealing.
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  16. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    This was the digging stage.. You can just see the flue sticking out.
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  17. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    And this was just after the formwork was stripped out...
    [​IMG]
     
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  18. g4rfr81

    g4rfr81 Member

    Lol i should really check my messages through before posting them! Thanks
     
  19. G4, what are these two pics in your first post? Is one the fireplace you currently have and the other - with the stove - what you are hoping to achieve?

    Anyhoo, there are two ways of doing this - one is to hire a Hetas fellow to do the work and t'other is to DIY it but to get local BC supervision - and they will get a Hetas person to check your work (for which you pay, of course).

    Hard to tell, but is there a lintel anywhere in that breast? If so, is it where you need it, or do you want to open the fireplace opening further?

    Anyhoo, how would a builder approach that project? I suspect they'd buy a pre-stressed concrete lintel of the right size - the required opening span + 150mm (minimum) overlap at each end.

    I then suspect they'd install this lintel without bothering with props! They'd simply remove - carefully - a row of bricks to allow the lintel to slip in. All removed one brick at a time by drilling out the mortar (which will likely be soft) around each brick in turn.

    The lintel will go along the top of the desired opening.

    Brush clean, dampen surrounding brick surfaces, lay a bed of mortar, slip in lintel, and pack further mortar around it until it's neatly filled all around.

    Allow to set.

    Then cut down the two sides probably using a chisel bit in an SDS drill.

    Fit angle beads, and cement render it all smooth and level. Skim with multi-finish.

    There is one other major issue - is the current flue lining suitable for solid fuel? It depends on what it's made of - SS is fine, ali possibly not. You may be lucky and be able to use the existing liner, but I suspect a new one will be needed.

    The Hetas surveyor will check that this is all done.

    Then there are minor issues such as the opening base being heat proof enough (almost certainly not an issue with modern stoves), that there's enough ventilation (especially with over a 5Kw stove), etc etc.
     
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  20. g4rfr81

    g4rfr81 Member

    Thats great info thanks, i cant seem to make out any sort of lintel higher then the little opening, so im gonna need to sort out that! I take it i would just need the inspection once the lintel is in to show its properly supported? Cheers for the info
     

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