Help with rsj bending at plate

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by grant jones, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. grant jones

    grant jones New Member

    Hi there

    Quick question.. my builder has installed an rsj to support the upstairs after we had a wall knocked down. The beam is short of the wall about 30cm and he has had a plate attatched to the bottom. He has then installed two pieces of wood to the wall and has rested the plate on this. The plate goes all the way back to the outside wall. My concern is that the plate is bending. He says that this is because its under stress and is normal. I was wondering what you guys think?
     

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  2. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    No, no and no, on so many levels.

    Extending a RSJ with just a flat plate under it, NO

    Sitting the RSJ on timber upstands, NO

    If you need to extend a RSJ you need to weld on the extra length of RSJ required, then you need to brace this with plates drilled and bolted in the web of the RSJ, a plate on either side.
     
  3. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    A BCO would have a fit seeing that.:eek::eek::eek:

    Easier to install a new rsj at the correct length, than trying to correct all the errors.
     
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  4. vivaro man

    vivaro man Active Member

    Get an acrow under that, maybe 2. Your builder is completely wrong, I assume this is being done under inspection. Wow, get another properly measured Joist on site and refit.
     
  5. If it was your builder that is so incompetent that he measured a beam too short, how would you trust them regarding the structure above your family's head?

    You should be seeing a splice detail like this (only horizontal, not vertical) :

    2014-06-18 16.54.03.jpg
     
  6. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    Your builder is a cowboy and you should sack him instantly.
     
  7. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Well, I never!
     
  8. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    Not good...not good!! Probably forgot to add on extra for bearing either side when he measured it and now he's putting you at risk by trying to bodge his way out of it. An extremely dangerous bodge too, all because he wont hold his hands up and say 'I messed up guys, but I'll rectify at my expense'.
     
  9. grant jones

    grant jones New Member

    Unfortunately i cant get hold of him... not really suprising really. I have no idea what im going to do
     
  10. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Tie in a brick pillar?

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  11. sospan

    sospan Screwfix Select

    Immediately go back to the structural engineer whom specified the RSJ. He will be the best person to help you straight away and tell you how to brace it to make it safe
     
  12. There may be an option to bolt a PFC vertically under the beam, however it is unclear how short the beam is. -it'll be a deep PFC!

    Best to contact the SE who spec'd the beam in the first instance as sospans comment.
     
  13. Grant, I presume you're local BCO comes out now and then to inspect the work?

    Phone him/her up right away and ask them to come out - they need to know what this 'builder' is like so they'll keep an eye on them.
     
  14. sospan

    sospan Screwfix Select

    As it is now a "dangerous" structure it is probably notifiable anyway
     
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  15. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Lethal is a better word.:eek:
     
  16. sospan

    sospan Screwfix Select

    Nah, its got that piece of wood holding it up .. ;)
     
  17. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select


    It will probably stand forever like that.





    No wait, is that woodworm I see.

    Dam.






    Bugger.
     
  18. miss pickle

    miss pickle Well-Known Member

    Looks about as stable as some marriages ;) I'd turn a blind eye if I were you op :rolleyes:
     
  19. sospan

    sospan Screwfix Select

    Seriously though there has to be a means to bring the builder to account and get the OP home back to a safe state. It must be a huge worry especially if the cowboy has disappeared over the hills with the money.
     
  20. miss pickle

    miss pickle Well-Known Member

    You are so gullible sos :eek: I worry about you :oops:
     

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