Internal Door 'varnish'

Discussion in 'Painters' Talk' started by Ersin110, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. Ersin, spray is certainly an option, tho' it'll work out as an expensive one. Yes, that's what they sue in the factory do to speed and quality of finish.

    What would you use - aerosols? It should work, but needs a bit of experience - tho' I'm sure you'll be fine.

    (If you spray too far away it'll be a grainy textured finish, too close and the paint could run. Also, over-spray on to an area that's already started to dry could again produce a 'textured' finish. And, it'll dry very thin so won't give the ultimate protection that brushed-on will (much, much thicker...)

    I'd still be inclined to use Diamond Hard satin water-based (quick-drying) varnish, or else Danish Oil (or one of the more specific oils mentioned earlier.)

    Oil will certainly give the most stunning finish of all these - no risk of runs, over-spray, brush marks, etc. And after a few coats it will look hmmmmmmmmmmm.
     
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  2. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member


    I found these, http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/product-type/lacquers there is a £9.23 option for sprays..
    but as u kindly mentioned, rite now i am inclined towards Diamond Hard satin water-based (quick-drying) varnish, or Danish Oil
     
  3. R.W_Carpentry

    R.W_Carpentry Active Member

    With a clear lacquer you wouldn't be gaining much on the quality of finish by spraying, especially spraying out of cans, not to mention canned lacquer never goes very far so you'd need a fair amount, if you want varnish or lacquer application with a brush would be fine, you can get some two pack lacquers that work well with hand application.
     
  4. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    Can i use satin light oak varnish, and then clear matt varnish on top? the reason I ask this is because Ronseal only have the light oak varnish in satin.. many thanks

    I think im not gonna use oil because it will stop the warranty..
     
  5. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    You could, and if it were me, I'd water down the light oak varnish by 20% at least. You want something to soak in.

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  6. Take care using any varnish with colour in it. You might be ok - it might even give the exact finish you are after - but it's a complete gamble.

    AfaIk, coloured varnish is used to give 'white' wood such as pine a phony colour. And I've used 'light oaks' before which have been the weirdest shade you could imagine, as it totally depends on the wood you are applying it to.

    And, coloured varnish coats the wood grain like a sheet of tinted plastic film; the more you add, the less you'll see of the grain.

    I strongly suggest you do a trial of a hidden area first - are the edges bound in veneer too? Try the top and bottoms.

    It's a bit of an unknown - that's the problem.

    I'd personally still be looking to use 'clear'. I think.

    (Tho' I actually would use oil :))
     
  7. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    For varnish, Would you recommend ronseal or dulux? Or perhaps something else..?
     
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2014
  8. Both are good makes - two of the best 'known' brands. I suspect there are some specialist brnads and products out there which are even better, but I just don't know - soz.

    BUT - sorry again - this is what I'd do, I'm pretty certain:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Osmo-Door-O...&qid=1394408362&sr=8-1&keywords=osmo+door+oil



    The Amazon reviews are universally impressive. A few mention 'veneers'. One does mention that it darkens the oak more than they'd anticipated, so I suspect you will end up with that light golden glow I think you are after.
     
  9. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    OMG I was justly literally watching that guys video :)

    Now I see why u prefer oil. I am defo more interested in Oil now, especially after this video, the finish in that wood is really good

    This is what osmo is recommending regarding oak veneer doors
    http://www.osmouk.com/previewpage.cfm?bookid=book001&chapter=6&page=192

    Do I have to go for the "door oil" version rather than the original polyx oil?
     
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2014
  10. I knew you were watching that video because I have control of your computer.

    Scary, huh?

    Tee-hee - only kidding.

    I was watching through your window.

    Anyways, that's a cracking answer on that Osmo site - exactly what you were after.

    I'd use exactly what they recommend for internal doors, because it was designed for internal doors, and it says it on the tin.

    (And I think the cove in the video said it was thinner - easier - to apply? Or thicker - one or t'other.)

    Read the instructions fully - I think I'd apply thin coats like the cove in the video did, and not 'soak' the timber (often, when applying oils such as Danish, you saturate the surface, allow it to soak in as much as possible, and then wipe off the excess after around a half-hour before buffing.)

    But - do whatever it says on the tin.

    Do one door first. The veneer just won't lift...

    (But don't come crying to me if... :p)
     
  11. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    LOL

    thank you for your patience and contribution mate, really appreciate it!

    Looking at the reviews here for the Polyx oil, a lot of people have used it for their doors.

    http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/product/osmo-polyx-oil#reviews

    and then I noticed, Polyx oil have tints as well :) http://www.osmouk.com/previewpage.cfm?bookid=book001&chapter=5&page=108

    so if u can use polyx oil on doors, why not use the tinted version?

    The reason why i ask is because my door frame and skirting boards are WHITE, and with a light golden doors i dont know how it will all look..

    White Osmo finish on oak gives it a very contempary look, dont you think?

    http://www.sourcewoodfloors.co.uk/shop/osmo-polyx-oil-tints-125ml-.html

    http://www.sourcewoodfloors.co.uk/images/shopItems/500/635-9.jpg
     
  12. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    Last edited: Mar 10, 2014
  13. Yes, that white 'wash' looks nice. I remember using something similar around 20 years ago which was designed to not tint (darken) natural timber as varnish would. I had just made some open-tread staircases for my bro out of 2" thick piranha pine, and loved the way it looked just natural. I was terrified of it going 'yellow-mellow' pine colour.

    This varnish had a hint of 'white' in it. Hmmm, just didn't work... It was clearly 'unnatural', so I ended up using clear varnish instead.

    Not to say that this stuff is anything like that, of course.

    BUT, anything you add with a tint is going to make application more tricky. Any overlaps are like to be a shade darker, for instance, so where your grain changes direction on the door stiles, you are likely to have to be super-precise so's as not to go over the edge and on to a different direction path. Get what I'm saying?

    It might not be like that at all, of course, but you'll certainly be ok with natural oil - brush it on, wipe it over. Job done.

    Light oak is also very contemporary. It also goes with pretty much any and every colour - from white to black.

    I can't advise any further as I haven't, myself, done what you are planning.

    But I'm pretty sure I'd 'play safe' :).

    It's gotta be your choice, of course.
     
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  14. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    you're rite, i should play it safe... i wouldnt mind going for a look in this photo to be honest, its nice, warm look :) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Osmo-Door-Oil-Solid-1L/dp/B005DR1ZYU/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

    i also found Osmo UK page on facebook! https://www.facebook.com/osmocouk
    i only have a 2 bedroom flat, and im fascinated abt getting the colours rite, as i will only be decorating once...


    Ok ive decided to go for OSMO :) oil :)

    but lastly, Osmo Door Oil comes in Satin, where as the original polyx oil can also ve purchased in Matt...i would like to know what the difference will be in terms of the finish/colour?
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2014
  15. I'm almost certain that one will turn out 'matt' and the other, well, er, on balance, will be kind of, y'know, er, um, not matt.

    Matt certainly has it's place in the echelons of surface finishes, but it's a rare one. For good reason. It's matt. So dull.

    Satin is BY FAR the classier finish - it'll be glowing, vibrant, lustrous, luxurious, deeply moving, compelling, absorbing, and just generally pretty nifty.

    Gloss is tacky so pants.

    Matt is matt so double-pants.

    Satin is chust awesome in its awesomeness.

    If you need any confirmation of the above, please ask :p.
     
  16. Ersin110

    Ersin110 New Member

    Hey mate

    I know it's been a while but just wanted to let you know I have used Osmo Door Oil.

    Wanted to thank you for your advice, and for you to see the results!! I really like the outcome.. :)
     

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  17. OOOOooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooohhh! That's niiiiiiiiiiiiiice :)

    You must be both chuffed and relieved.

    Seriously nice doors. Nice job - well done.

    (You do know the veneer will lift in a few months, so enjoy it until then...)

    Only kidsings :p
     
  18. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Light oak woodstain(looks like!)

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  19. Don't be silly...
     
  20. I've just read this entire thread and though VERY helpful, I am still hesitant to use Oil rather than Satin Varnish. I have purchased these: http://www.xljoinery.co.uk/detail.php?id=3988&tc=2, and the instruction card specifically says not to use 'thin penetrating seals, oils, wax, dyes or hard, brittle finishes'. One of the doors is going on a bathroom so obviously will experience high humidity/moisture. Will this oil seal as well as the varnish? Sorry to resurrect this one but I'm in the exact same dilemma !!!
     

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