sealing block paving

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by gettin there, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. gettin there

    gettin there New Member

    hello hope you can help,

    have a blocked pave area outside kitchen door and have built a fully enclosed lean too structure but when it rains dampness comes up from the block paving my question is; Is there a product/sealer that I can put on the blocks to stop moisture rising up,

    thanks

    steve
     
  2. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    If block paving is laid properly, it is totally waterproof, unless its the new type with bigger joints designed to allow water through.

    There are many types of paving sealants on the market, but If you have raising damp through the paving, most of the sealants will either go white or just flake off.
     
  3. DIYDave.

    DIYDave. Screwfix Select

  4. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    I've actually seen some peeps put down a dpm under the block paving, if the area is going to be enclosed..
     
  5. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Does the damp only come up at the sides inside?

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  6. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    Dave I'm thinking the whole paved area is getting damp, not just under the structure, so that DPM would be any good.
     
  7. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    I did that. I took a brick out all round outside, upped and levelled the floor area, relayed on dpm and sand.

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  8. gettin there

    gettin there New Member

  9. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    Whats the best underlay for block paving?
    My brother did his with clean 10mm stone chips. Hand screeded with 2m aluminimum screeder and swears by it.

    BiO (brother in outlaw) house builder uses a weak sand cement mix and swears by it..
     
  10. gettin there

    gettin there New Member

    it sounds like the dpm might work
     
  11. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    If it porous then 10mm or even 6mm chipping, but if it not then compacted sharp sand 50mm thick.

    This is for RY.
     
  12. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    Brother says the sand will soften with rainfall and the fines may even wash away leaving an unlevel surface. Especially with vehicular traffic.
    The stone chips on the other hand will never sink and aids drainage.

    My Bio is an extremely experienced high end house builder. But I think my brothers method is the best.

    Pile driving is often done with solid concrete columns. But another method is drill the pile holes and fill with clean stone.
    Because clean stones never sink.
     
  13. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    As I said, but if the paving isn't the porous type, then its totally waterproof so the sand won't wash away, there are millions of driveways laid this way, using stone chipping is relatively new.
     
  14. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    If ground is solid under the sand, that compacted sand ain't going nowhere. Wet sand is stiffer than dry.

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  15. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    With all the will in the world Phil, I fail to see how blocks laid together can be totally waterproof(not like they are glued together with sealant)!

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  16. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    The sand should be damp when laid, so when compacted its rock hard. Bit like being at the sea side, all the same sand on the beach, but your feet don't sink into the wet stuff like they do on the dry.
     
  17. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    His paves are 200mm by 200mm decorative pieces. Thought all paves were porous to some extent.

    In any case I'm not referring to water ingress through the pave. But rather through the joints.
     
  18. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    The kiln dried sand in the joint seals when it get wet, it then stays sealed, you must have seen puddles on block paving, especially in retail parks. ;)
     
  19. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    That's probably after a down pour. Surely water will still be ingressing downwards?
     
  20. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    I have seen puddles, but I have seen them disappear faster than they would with normal evaporation.

    That tells me it has soaked down. Just saying.

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     

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