Sealing compression fittings

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by DIYDave, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. DIYDave

    DIYDave Guest

    Hi guys, an easy question I'm sure but would appreciate a little profesional advice please;

    Replacing a couple of siezed gate valves on my heating system with full bore lever valves - Screwfix code 30584 (Are these any good / better than gate valves maybe) ?

    When using these, or any compression fitting I guess, what is the best option to ensure a leak free job. Do you prefer a sealing compound such as Boss White or PTFE tape, both applied to the olive and not to the threaded section or cap nut

    I see some threads that say the olive alone will create the seal without using anything else

    As a DIY'er (let the abuse start) ! just want to have added confidence with a leak free job and use the recomended method. If using Boss White or similiar, can you turn the water back on right away or do you need to let the compound "set" first, keeping the fitting dry

    Many thanks for any advice offered
     
  2. G Brown

    G Brown New Member

    Either use nothing or a smear of LSX on the olive.
     
  3. palavaman

    palavaman Well-Known Member

    If you are a DIYer, don't do it or I'll start the abuse?
    You asked 4it
     
  4. plumplasdec

    plumplasdec Member

    I like to use ptfe, I tighten the nut then  undue it checking the olive is in the correct place then ptfe around the olive about 6 times, Gives a good seal every time, also think you can feel it bite easyer .
     
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  5. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    only use boss white on heating, its not suitable for domestic water,
     
  6. DIYDave

    DIYDave Guest

    Thanks for the answers so far guys and like I thought, everyone has their own prefered method which comes about with experiance and time served

    If I do use boss white though, can you turn water back on right away or do you need to let the compound set  first
    Also your thoughts on the full bore lever valves please.... Better than gate valves ? and can they be used on high pressure to replace say a mains stop tap

    Thanks again for any info offered

    Oh yeah.... and bring it on Mr Palavavavavavavaman !!
     
  7. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    paste don't need a setting time, turn straight on, full bore lever good,  palava.........LOS, ( load of *

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  8. palavaman

    palavaman Well-Known Member

    You asked 4it Dave
    4get the bows whyte.  tompums says only use on gas.
    Besides, PTFE is cheaper (someone has told you to use it already), so why bover wiv boss whyte?
    Use the full bore valves if you must, but make sure its not in a most visited location (kitchen cupboard wiv pots & plates) as her in there will 'knock' it to off position then moan that there is no water in da haws???
    Also fit it the right way round;)
    Once I've had my drink, I'll give you some lip
     
  9. palavaman

    palavaman Well-Known Member

    I was wondering why grandma was taking so long to make an appearance?
    Haw is da frog Lucinda?   RU wearing it 2day?  If  you are, I'll talk to you in the Sports Forum
     
  10. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

    Do not use boss white. Do not use ptfe. Use LSX or similar jointing compound or my preference -  nothing.
     
  11. Tallulubloodylah

    Tallulubloodylah New Member

     
  12. nigel willson

    nigel willson Screwfix Select

    there is i think a potable version of boss white?!
     
  13. Tallulubloodylah

    Tallulubloodylah New Member

    Hi. I have just struggled to get registered here to answer your question. Think of this logically. You push a bit of pipe into a fitting, tighten the nut, compress the olive on the pipe, then expect the olive to seal in it's seat. It can't because it's already in as far as it can go. Now you have to cut off the pipe below the olive so that next time you tighten the nut there is room to draw the two mating faces together. What you do next time is push the pipe in, then withdraw it a few millimetres before you tighten the nut. Anyone who tells you any different has been taught by a sealant company. Use a bit of grease or Vaseline for ease of operation. Otherwise the fitting should be completely clean and free of any sealant or PTFE tape which is a sure sign of a botch!
     
  14. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    A quick wipe of jointing compound doesn't hurt, especially with chrome fittings.
     
  15. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    Jet-Lube V-2 plus.
    Suitable for mains gas, compressed air, oils, fuels, refrigerants and most other liquid and gaseous chemicals. And WRAS approved for use on potable water.
     
  16. Tallulubloodylah

    Tallulubloodylah New Member

    No
    No jointing compound should be used on a compression fitting. The male and female tapered faces should not have anything between them, otherwise the seal is assisted and compromised by foreign and unnecessary material. You need to remove anything which prevents the faces mating. Like the excessive stub below the olive, the sealing compound, the tape, cement, chewing gum or any other rediculous botch you may have at hand. Just make sure you do not have excess stub below the olive and the tapers will mate and seal. Simple.
     
  17. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    They can leak without it. My plumber used it on two compression fittings that were embedded in the screed.
    I've noticed they are not leaking.
    To do a pressure test would be difficult. Its belt and braces and I think some manufacturers advocate certain sealants.

    I know you'll have done several million compression joints without any leaks and no paste used. You might be in line for a medal. Though most of them were given out in WW2.
     
  18. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    They can leak without it. My plumber used it on two compression fittings that were embedded in the screed.
    I've noticed they are not leaking.
    To do a pressure test would be difficult. Its belt and braces and I think some manufacturers advocate certain sealants.

    I know you'll have done several million compression joints without any leaks and no paste used. You might be in line for a medal. Though most of them were given out in WW2.
     

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